Dsb's work, what makes them work best?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6479006#post6479006 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kbmdale
the conclusion was, They both taste like chicken.... :lol:
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I don't want to come to your house for breakfast then .:D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6478884#post6478884 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by joefish
Now I feel like a yo yo ....:D

Are we talking macro algae for removel , or problem algae thats a no no (turf/hair)?

This would change my opinion on the matter ....
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Actually, "micro-" and "macro-" algae are hobbyist, rather than biological, distinctions. Sort of like the difference between weeds and other plants. However, when I'm talking about manual export, I do mean with macroalgae (just because it's a hobbyist term doesn't make it bunkus). There can be export performed with microalgae, it's just not nearly as effective, and is usually accidental (I don't know anyone who intentionally grows microalgae for nutrient export). When reying on herbivores, in addition to the snowball effect with (which, IMO, can never be eliminated, just minimalized), there's the fact that herbivores are not even 100% effective at removal in the first place.

And I'm going to go ahead and say it, because someone else will notice it. Even refugiums are not going to be totally effective at nutrient removal; some nutrients will remain, so the DSB does still need to be optimized for nutrient removal, I think. This could perhaps be mitigated by having a tank with a huge refugium relative to tank size (eg. a 300 gallon 'fuge for a 75 gallon display, to be totally outlandish). While that would make a very interesting experiment, I don't know if it's been done, with the possible exception of algal turf scrubbers.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6479014#post6479014 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tsquad
The egg. Dinosaurs and reptiles were laying eggs far before chickens even thought about existing :D
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Alrighty then!!! I always said the egg came first but I didn't have a good reason. :D :D

Probably like my opinions on Reef Keeping. :hammer: :)

> barryhc :p
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6479074#post6479074 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Amphiprionocellaris
Actually, "micro-" and "macro-" algae are hobbyist, rather than biological, distinctions. Sort of like the difference between weeds and other plants. However, when I'm talking about manual export, I do mean with macroalgae (just because it's a hobbyist term doesn't make it bunkus). There can be export performed with microalgae, it's just not nearly as effective, and is usually accidental (I don't know anyone who intentionally grows microalgae for nutrient export). When reying on herbivores, in addition to the snowball effect with (which, IMO, can never be eliminated, just minimalized), there's the fact that herbivores are not even 100% effective at removal in the first place.

And I'm going to go ahead and say it, because someone else will notice it. Even refugiums are not going to be totally effective at nutrient removal; some nutrients will remain, so the DSB does still need to be optimized for nutrient removal, I think. This could perhaps be mitigated by having a tank with a huge refugium relative to tank size (eg. a 300 gallon 'fuge for a 75 gallon display, to be totally outlandish). While that would make a very interesting experiment, I don't know if it's been done, with the possible exception of algal turf scrubbers.
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Well you did some up my opinion right there . The conversation started talking about micro algae . So I'm not quit sure how we got to macro algae .

So are you saying you have macro growing in your main tank ? Got pics of that ? That's a have to see thing .
 
The thing about micro algae, is you can harvest it and make money.. I have a 10g set-up with a cheato grow out chamber. I take and load it with the fresh mollie fry, and grow cheato for local reefers and have sold some on ebay. I can get about a baseball every 4-7 days....Harness the power of the dark side and make it work for you.... :lol:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6479160#post6479160 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by joefish
That's a have to see thing .
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A have-to-see thing? :D

PlantsGalore.jpg
 
I always liked Paul B's tank .:) the one above weathermans post .:lol:


Yet another sample of , you need to know what your keeping to have the enviorment mimic the needs .
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6479160#post6479160 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by joefish
So are you saying you have macro growing in your main tank ? Got pics of that ? That's a have to see thing .
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I have macro directly in one of my 30s, as well as in a hang-on-back 'fuge on the same tank. The lights are off now, but I can get you a picture tomorrow. It's not much to look at, though.
I do have macro in 'fuges on all my tanks. For me, the primary advantage of having a separate 'fuge is the fact that you control where the nutrients are exported to (the tank water through herbivores vs. the sink through the tank keeper). However, I think my export ability is severely limited by the small size of the 'fuges relative to the tank.
 
I think the little bubble algaes are the cutest ones, but that red stuff is cool looking too. :p

I'll bet that tank didn't take much maintanence. :D

> barryhc :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6479308#post6479308 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by joefish
Who's is that ?
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That's my 155. Or, at least it was.

I cleaned everything out in early December.

It was, actually, too much maintenance. I was ripping wads of algae out of the tank every week.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6479355#post6479355 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Weatherman


It was, actually, too much maintenance. I was ripping wads of algae out of the tank every week.
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This is my dislike for algae . I feel the maintenance is way to demanding . FME algae like to trap detritus , my thoughts are they do this for survivel .Soughta like a self serve buffet .:)
 
Phosphates "bind and leach", heavy metals "sink", and again, guess what, all controversial.
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I disagree. PO4 will "bond" to Calcium Carbonates such as Aragonite. There have been many studies on this. The "controversy" is that you must understand that this "bonding" is pH dependant. Most of the bonding takes place at a pH of 8.4. If the pH is significantly lower, it would reverse this bond, leaching the PO4 back into the water. This relationship of Calcium Carbonate and PO4 could also explain why certain corals dont thrive in PO4 rich environments... because it's presence (if conditions are "correct") will inhibit calcification by the corals.
 
I'm guessing that if my tank looks like this, I should be happy that the phosphates are bound in the algae and the PO4 isn't in the water column.

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Just kidding. :)
 
I have been running DSB in my 30 gal SPS corals tank for almost two years. refugium is a twenty long with a "cooked" pile of rocks 24 hours on 6500K over te refugium and
 
I have been running DSB in my 30 gal SPS corals tank for almost two years. refugium is a twenty long with a "cooked" pile of rocks 24 hours on 6500K over te refugium and
 
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