Duplex sump concept

Mr.Wilson,

I've been reading your information in this thread as well as following along with all of the absolutely incredible information you've been providing in Nineball's great build thread as part of that team. Amazingly valuable stuff!

I'm in the fairly early stages of planning for my 120 gallon build (feels like I've actually been researching and planning forever). I'm going to incorporate a benthic zone in my sump and I wanted to run a few things by you (and anybody else with advice for that matter) if you don't mind.

The display tank will be in my living room and my sump will be in the crawl space that's directly beneath it. The crawl space is partially finished, easily accessible and it's heated. For my sump system I plan on using two 40 gallon breeders. The first will have an intake area where DT water will arrive. I'd like to try to devise some sort of baffle system that will trap detritus in this area. I plan on keeping some non-reef-safe detrivores in this area as you suggested, and if all goes well I may end up lighting it and trying out a xenia or anemone zone here as well. From here the water will flow into the skimmer zone in the same breeder tank. The skimmer will pump the skimmed water over a baffle, where it will flow through a bulkhead into the second breeder tank, which will be half duplex fuge and half return zone. The benthic zone in the bottom will be about 7" high (so total benthic size will be 18x18x7). There will be removable egg-crate on top. Above this will be about another 5" of water with macro algae on a reverse photo period from the DT (so the macro area will be 18x18x5). Eventually I may add some mangroves along one side of the fuge with the mangrove roots reaching down into a substrate tray in part of the benthic zone. From the fuge the water will flow into the return pump area where it will be pumped back up to the DT. I plan on having heaters and media reactors in the return area or just between the fuge and return area. I plan on having all of my monitor probes in the first intake zone where the DT water first arrives. Also I would ideally do all of my water changes by removing the water from this initial intake zone/detritus trapping area as this should be the "œdirtiest" water. The flow through my sump will be 400-600 gph in order to keep with the rule of 3-5 times the system volume.

And finally, some info on the DT that I think is pertinent is that I plan on having a small yellowhead jawfish colony (my favorite fish) so it will have a relatively DSB of 4-6".

Here are my questions:

1 "“ What's your general thought on my plan? Anything big that I'm missing?

2- Do you think I've planned adequate space for the benthic and macro zones?

3- Do you have any ideas re baffles that could help trap detritus in the intake zone? I think this will be hard due to flow. Even though I will only be flowing 3-5 times the DT volume through the sump, this intake area will have maybe 15-20 gallons of water in it, so flow within this area will be about 25x turnover and may not allow detritus to settle.

4- Since I'll be having a substrate of 4-6" for my jawfish in the DT covering an area of 48" x 24" do you think this negates the need for a remote DSB in my sump?

That's it for now. I have a ton more questions but lets start with these. I know this has been a long post. Thanks for taking the time to read it.

Corey

Hi Corey, what kind of medic are we talkin' here?

You can use 7" dia. 100 micron filter bags catch detritus, but a settling area is a good back-up system. The filer bags plug in a few days, but they are easier to change than the amount of work involved in siphoning out a settling container. Set up an overflow box in he sump with two filer bags, one as the primary, and a second to catch overflowing water if/when the first bag plugs up. The cleaner inverts will keep the area pretty clean, but physically removing the detritus is more efficient than relying on assimilation by critters, but both are good and complimentary.

The skimmer will also remove POC (detritus) so it would work well in the settling container as well.

The return zone is a hard thing to size. While it appears to be just a small area where the pump can draw bubble-free water, it needs to be large enough so as not to affect the system water level too much. What I mean by this is, a small return area does not allow for much leeway in water volume changes; for example, if you remove a large rock from the display tank, sump or refugium an undersized return zone will cause a water level drop that will make the return pump cavitate. A larger return zone leaves room for siphoning out detritus and making changes in rock work volume without affecting the water level near the return pump intake much. You may even consider drilling a few holes in the baffle wall to allow water to leak through when it is needed. If you do this, you can probably do a water change without turning the return pump off. The easier it is to do a water change, the more likely you are to do it. Some water will bypass the dam and weir baffle system, but it is unlikely to cause issues with microbubbles if your skimmer is designed and set well, your drain from the display is a combination siphon/Durso, and your refugium is full of bubble diffusing algae.

If you can do so without losing stability, make the benthic zone eggcrate top removable for siphoning, as needed. It looks like more is more when it comes to spacing the eggcrate panels. My earlier attempts left about 4" between the upright pieces, but that space isn't being populated or needed in any way, so you can double down and leave just 2" between.

You can use the media reactors to pump processed water over the last baffle to the return pump zone. Just like the FIFO (first in first out) skimmer system, this assures that the maximum amount of water is processed by the media reactors and done so only once. Your limitation here is the volume of water going through the reactor (reactor pump).

The monitor probes should get the same readings throughout the system, as the pumps mix water quickly and the probes aren't that sensitive. I have recently started using 1/2" compression fittings (championlighting.com) and a network of tees on a manifold to hold the probes in-line. This keeps then from sinking too low in the sump or getting dry if they rise too high. Make sure you have some shutoff valves to isolate the manifold for probe removal and calibration. An in-sump probe holder does give you more freedom in calibration and access, but I like the in-line idea because you can bring a water line to the controller, rather than deal with multiple probe wires leading to the sump and the limitation of controller location (close to the sump).

The water change water could be drawn from the settling container, but you will need a pump to do so, as it sounds like it will be low to the ground (too ow for a fast siphon). You can shut down the return pump and wipe the settling tank down to dislodge detritus first. Alternatively, you can run a bypass to the display drain line so it goes directly to the second sump zone. Now you can take your time cleaning the settling container without affecting the system. I did a tank like tis using two 55 gallon drums (one as a settling tank, one full of live rock as a cryptic zone), and a large duplex tank (top refugium, lower benthic zone).

Your flow rates look right. It will be easy to match a skimmer to 400-600 GPH, and if it is greater, than you can turn up your return pump. Since you are pumping from the basement, I would go with a Panworld/Blueline/Iwaki pressure rated pump. I think the Posiedon/Velocity P3 will fall short of your needs. You can use the RC head loss calculator to make sure you get the right one for the job. The price difference between the sizes is negligible so you should go one size bigger and valve it down as needed.

If you like the yellowhead jawfish, you will love bluespot jawfish. They are the star of Nineballs tank. He has two bluespot and three yellowhead.

I don't know of any baffle tricks for trapping detritus, but low flow is the key. A deep tank with a dead zone on the bottom works. Dams & weirs speed up flow so you are better off without them. In the old days, sumps had a sloped bottom to concentrate detritus at one end. I don't like the sumps with multiple short dams, as they are impossible to siphon and keep clean. If you are working with a crawl space you may have room to upsize your design to incorporate some cost effective ($10-50) 55 gallon plastic shipping/chemical containers. You can join as many as you wish with bulkheads or Uniseals. This will give you ample settling and lots of extra system water volume. You can have an extra drum/vat of the same size to prepare water changes. If you line them up, you can even alternate which one you use, with all of them plumbed together. Your water change occurs at the throw of two valves.

I hope that gets you started.

* My feather duster tube idea is a no-go. Apparently there is no cash of nutrients and heavy metals in the tubes, just mucous and calcium carbonate.
 
Hi Corey, what kind of medic are we talkin' here?

The paramedic kind (advaced care paramedic).

Thanks for the great in-depth reply Mr.Wilson. I really appreciate all the time you take answering questions and sharing your knowledge.

I love the idea of having two 55 gallon drums rigged up for water changes that I could just do at the flip of a few valves to take one off line and bring the other on line. I'd read where you wrote this earlier but I'm worried about feasability in my crawlspace. There's 50" of height from the floor to the ceiling joists in the crawlspace and another 10" between the bottom of the joists and the subfloor above. The drums I've seen are 36" tall, so that leaves me with just 14" above them to clean them when needed without smacking my head on the joists. This may not end up being difficult but I don't know yet. I'll have to go experiment in my crawlspace now. I want to keep maintenance as easy as possible so I never avoid doing it. The extra volume with this system would be great though!

I was planning on a beananimal type drain system, which is exactly what you suggest re a full siphon and durso drain but with an added 3rd drain that is ideally never used and completely redundant in case of blockage in the other lines. This is critically important in my case, as a flood of my living room would likely mean an end to the aquarium and my marriage, if not my life :uzi: (you're probably familiar with the system but http://www.beananimal.com/projects/silent-and-fail-safe-aquarium-overflow-system.aspx ). How should I go about splitting this drain system to the two drums with the siphon in place? I'm not sure what splitting a siphon line would do.

As for the benthic ans macro zones, so you think the size would be adequate, especially if I put lots of eggcrate in the benthic area? I was planning on doing part eggcrate, part live-rock and part mangrove roots eventually. The top will be removable.

So do you think I'll have any problems with a quasi DSB in the DT for my jawfish and no remote DSB or should I still do the remote DSB?

On a side note... The good news about the crawl space is that I have easy access to all of my house's plumbing lines, including the drain plumbing. I'm going to take advantage of this by plumbing overflows into my sump, ATO and RODI container's that drain right into my drain line in the event of any mishaps (runaway pumps, solenoids or failed switches).
 
If you like the yellowhead jawfish, you will love bluespot jawfish. They are the star of Nineballs tank. He has two bluespot and three yellowhead.

I do like both, and I'd agree that the colours on the bluespot are superior to the yellowhead, but I think the yellowheads are a bit more "fun". My limited experience observing them in tanks is that the bluespots hide a little more and often don't come right out of their burrows. I owned a yellowhead before and it was always hovering over it's burrow and picking up my hermits to move them to the other end of my tank when they came near his home. He'd also come right up to the front glass when we approached. It was my wife's favourite fish, but that was when I was brand new at this and didn't grasp the importance of quarantine. He succumbed to ich when I added an infected clown to the tank. I also saw an online video of yellowheads living in a small colony of 4-5 in a tank, with all of them hovering over their burrows and darting in and out. I though it might be neat to try in my tank.

I must admit that I'm a little jealous after reading that nineball has 3 of them! I've been calling every aquarium store in the GTA and beyond for the past 3 months, trying to get one for my 20g nano, and they all keep telling me that they don't have any. :sad1:
 
Mr. Wilson quick question for you, for those of us with all-in-one tanks is there a way to make a zone like your design. I have a 34gal Solana with 3 chambers listed in order of flow pattern. 1)skimmer, 2)media chamber, 3)return. I also have a 10gal fuge/frag tank hooked in higher than the tank so it feeds via gravity to chamber 3. At the top of chamber 3 is there idea of top-off bottles but they dont work well so i got rid of them and added a real ATO. The biggest problem I see is the flow rate is higher than you suggest, however these chambers already have some feathers and barnicles and other creatures. They also receive quite a bit of air in these areas due to the skimmer and drip plate. I have a pic the blue is flow pattern and the white is where I thought I could add eggcrate. If nothing else it just gives more surface area for things to attach to.

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Mr. Wilson quick question for you, for those of us with all-in-one tanks is there a way to make a zone like your design. I have a 34gal Solana with 3 chambers listed in order of flow pattern. 1)skimmer, 2)media chamber, 3)return. I also have a 10gal fuge/frag tank hooked in higher than the tank so it feeds via gravity to chamber 3. At the top of chamber 3 is there idea of top-off bottles but they dont work well so i got rid of them and added a real ATO. The biggest problem I see is the flow rate is higher than you suggest, however these chambers already have some feathers and barnicles and other creatures. They also receive quite a bit of air in these areas due to the skimmer and drip plate. I have a pic the blue is flow pattern and the white is where I thought I could add eggcrate. If nothing else it just gives more surface area for things to attach to.

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The flow rate isn't a big issue. The organism it excludes are replaced by others that excel in high flow. The problem is the stray bubbles. Sponges and tunicates aren't tolerant to bubbles sticking to them. Your application is more of a cryptic zone (undersides of reef structure), than a benthic zone (substrate reef rubble). You will have essentially the same organisms however, just some worms and copepods that prefer more cover. You could use live rock rubble about the size of fingers, but they may clog with detritus. A stack of eggcrate would be more effective and clean for macro-organisms, but will be light on bacterial life. I would lean toward reef rubble and try to make sure the water is pre-filtered well mechanically. You can also flush it out with a powerhead every month or so.

The Duplex system was designed for situations like yours where space is limited. Your refugium may work with a two-level design if it is deep enough.

It's all about bio-diversity and unique zones. Even a small system can achieve this in some manner.
 
The paramedic kind (advaced care paramedic).

Cool...like David Lee Roth :)

If you are ambitious, you can cut away some concrete floor and sink the drums below the floor a foot or two. This will help cool your system. Your wife may get nervous when she sees what you are up to though :)

There are other PE plastic options, but not as cheap as $10 recycled drums.

Bean has a great design, but I don't see a need for the third drain. If anything, it may be a liability (one more set of pipes, one more hole in the tank to weaken it or leak). The second vented drain will kick into siphon in the event that the primary siphon clogs. The vented line should never clog because it is run at low capacity and should have a strainer. In all my years and all the tanks, I can't remember a drain of any design clogging. I have had fish stuck in them and plastic float in front of them, but I have never had one overflow or come close. Having said that, don't let me talk you out of peace of mind if the third drain will give you this. Beananimal added the third drain because he had a flood and assured his wife it would never happen again. Smart man indeed :)

You can split a siphon line as many times as you wish, it only speeds the rate at which it drains, like dual exhaust. In your case you will only have one exhaust line open at any given time. Unlike a vented gravity drain, a surface tension siphon can go up and down and hit elbows without losing momentum or cavitating. Set up a manifold according to where your drums are located. I can draw it out for you once you post a picture of where they are located.
 
Cool...like David Lee Roth :)

If you are ambitious, you can cut away some concrete floor and sink the drums below the floor a foot or two. This will help cool your system. Your wife may get nervous when she sees what you are up to though :)

There are other PE plastic options, but not as cheap as $10 recycled drums.

Bean has a great design, but I don't see a need for the third drain. If anything, it may be a liability (one more set of pipes, one more hole in the tank to weaken it or leak). The second vented drain will kick into siphon in the event that the primary siphon clogs. The vented line should never clog because it is run at low capacity and should have a strainer. In all my years and all the tanks, I can't remember a drain of any design clogging. I have had fish stuck in them and plastic float in front of them, but I have never had one overflow or come close. Having said that, don't let me talk you out of peace of mind if the third drain will give you this. Beananimal added the third drain because he had a flood and assured his wife it would never happen again. Smart man indeed :)

You can split a siphon line as many times as you wish, it only speeds the rate at which it drains, like dual exhaust. In your case you will only have one exhaust line open at any given time. Unlike a vented gravity drain, a surface tension siphon can go up and down and hit elbows without losing momentum or cavitating. Set up a manifold according to where your drums are located. I can draw it out for you once you post a picture of where they are located.

LOL. Yes, Just like David Lee Roth! I'd actually forgotten about that until you just reminded me. Hmm... I wonder if he ever finished his training to become a full paramedic or if he remains an EMT? Now I'll have to Google it!

I think I can get the 55 gallon drums to work without digging out a hole in my crawlspace floor. That's a good thing because I'm pretty sure that the sounds of a sledge hammer and jack hammer coming from the crawl space, followed by me trekking through the house with buckets of pulverized concrete and earth would alert my wife that something is amiss. Then she might be the one making good use of the new hole in the crawlspace floor. Talk about a man digging his own grave! :hmm3:

Even if I can't get the 55 gallon drums to work, I've found similar 30 gallon drums that will definitely do the trick if necessary. So, would you recommend splitting both the siphon and durso lines and running them to each drum with control valves?

And with reference to DT flow... The tank will be viewable on 3 sides so it will have a rear wall, coast-to-coast external overflow box. I know that ideally I should have the returns from the sump at the top of the opposite side, pushing water across the surface towards the overflow skimmer, but this may not be possible with my set-up (unless I can find a way to hide the return lines in the hood and have them enter in the top front corners). If the returns have to enter the tank at the back wall could I point them straight down along the back glass? I’d then place powerheads further down the back wall pointed straight forward towards the front glass and avoiding my rock structure. Hopefully this would pick up the flow coming down the back glass and direct it across the bottom to the front glass where it will hopefully travel back up along the front and then back across the top to the skimmer box. Would this work?
 
You need to run both drains independently into the drums. What I mean by that, is don't put the two together. The low tech method is to leave the drain hoses long enough to be stretched to each drum. The high tech method would be a manifold.

Work with what you have for a return location. Run it down the wall and direct it across the bottom away from the overflow. The water will eventually find its way back. As long as you don't have the flow at the top, pointing away from the overflow.

The best way to avoid back-siphon is a flapper (not ball) check valve at the top. When the pump is on, it closes the valve; when the water is off, the flapper opens and allows air to enter, thus breaking the siphon.
 
Mr Wilson, I am in the final planning stage of dramatically revamping my setup by moving my sump to the room behind my tank. As part of this project I purchased a 75 gallon tank (48"L X 18"W X 21"H) to use as a duplex refugium which will be above the sump and above the DT. Even though I have read this thread twice I have a several questions I am hoping you can answer.

1. When you recommend the top tray to be 4" deep for the algae, are you including the rubble rock or do you mean there should be 4" of water above the rock?

2. I Googled Caulerpa and from the pictures I viewed it appears the Caulerpa will attache to the rubble rock, if so how do you trim the oldest growth without cutting the lower sections of the Caulerpa? Isn't the oldest sections the part of the algae that is attached to the rock?

3. You mentions that the best way to export Zooplankton and other pods to the DT is by using a surge devise. How do I build a surge devise and how often should the surge be implemented? I was guessing once every 12 hours to mimic the incoming tide?

4. Since I am starting over with dry rock which will be seeded with live rock, I am thinking about purchasing some Garf Gunk to and Tampa Bay live rubble rock to seed the refugium. What are your thoughts on this plan of attack?

5. I am thinking of incorporating a section at the end of the fuge for a DSB, do you have a picture of the feeding tube you have mentioned in this thread?

6. I am planning on either diverting some of the flow from my return pump to the fuge or using a separate pump. One advantage of using a separate pump is if the main pump dies I will still have some circulation between my DT and sump via the fuge. What are your thoughts on the best way to go?

I am sure I will have more questions but these are the only ones that I can think of off the top of my head.

Thanks for your help and Happy New Year!

Mark
 
1. When you recommend the top tray to be 4" deep for the algae, are you including the rubble rock or do you mean there should be 4" of water above the rock?

The algae growing area should be 4-6" deep, depending on the variety of macro-algae you are growing. Chaetomorpha grows stably in 6" of water, while Caulerpa needs shallower 4" water so it doesn't get shaded. Excude the rock rubble from these numbers. I would use rock rubble with Caulerpa but it isn't necessary with Chaetomorpha.

2. I Googled Caulerpa and from the pictures I viewed it appears the Caulerpa will attache to the rubble rock, if so how do you trim the oldest growth without cutting the lower sections of the Caulerpa? Isn't the oldest sections the part of the algae that is attached to the rock?

Every time you harvest Caulerpa, the thalus (stem) gets broken and nutrients bleed out. Gently remove 75% of the Caulerpa and allow it to let go of the rock rubble as it does naturally. You may have to lift out the algae and remove the rocks out of the refugium to avoid nutrient leakage. I wouldn't worry too much about the holdfast (roots) as they are constantly growing new ones, so it isn't old growth. You may notice thinning or yellowed areas that need to be harvested first, but with a shallow growing area this is rarely a problem. Where you see this is in traditional oversized refugiums where the algae is allowed to out-grow the illuminated space.

3. You mentions that the best way to export Zooplankton and other pods to the DT is by using a surge devise. How do I build a surge devise and how often should the surge be implemented? I was guessing once every 12 hours to mimic the incoming tide?

Surge devices are a lot of work to set-up. Don't set one up just to wash out a few copepods. If you want one for the display tank for other reasons, then look into it, but realistically copepods are hard to roundup and deliver to the display. The low tech solution is to grab a handful of algae during harvest time and shake it out in the tank or into a bucket of water. You don't have to wait for harvest time, as this frees the algae of detritus and is a great way to feed the tank; having said that, we aren't talking about a lot of live food, and they can still evade capture in the display tank. I look at the copepods and plankton in the refugium as part of the biodiversity and filtration rather than a direct food source. Don't forget there are planktonic forms of many organisms that travel through the system. While many organisms such as snails may not successfully reproduce new generations, they do feed corals with their spawn.


4. Since I am starting over with dry rock which will be seeded with live rock, I am thinking about purchasing some Garf Gunk to and Tampa Bay live rubble rock to seed the refugium. What are your thoughts on this plan of attack?

Tamp Bay live rubble is a good idea. You can smash up some old rock with a hammer to make some more. Tamps Bay has real live sand, but many other companies just sell you nutrient sink sand out of their systems. As for GARF... read here... http://www.wetwebmedia.com/reefsubstrates.htm

5. I am thinking of incorporating a section at the end of the fuge for a DSB, do you have a picture of the feeding tube you have mentioned in this thread?

They call them "free flow cores" here... http://www.spa-mart.com/spa-accessories/spa-filters/hot-tub-filter-cartridges.cfm

6. I am planning on either diverting some of the flow from my return pump to the fuge or using a separate pump. One advantage of using a separate pump is if the main pump dies I will still have some circulation between my DT and sump via the fuge. What are your thoughts on the best way to go?
Mark

Adding a dedicated pump gives you a fail safe, but it also adds the liability of another pump that may fail, heat, stray current, vibration & noise, and cost. The idea here is to use free flow where it already exists. The water draining from the display tank can be used on its way to the sump return pump. Macro algae is a great bubble popper.
 
Thank you Mr. Wilson for taking the time to answer all my questions! I have been thinking about the free flow cores and your theories about using heat under the sandbed to creat water movement. Couldn't a air stone be placed the free flow core to accomplish water movement within the sand bed?
 
Couldn't a air stone be placed the free flow core to accomplish water movement within the sand bed?

You just reinvented the under gravel filter :)

UG filters proved to trap detritus, and lots of it. The reverse flow UG filter was a little better only because it employed powerheads instead of air lifts.

I think it would work if the air flow was very low. Perhaps it would work better without a plenum so it was just the tube in the sand with an airlift at the bottom slowly bubbling away.

If you have a refugium under the display tank, the heat from the light will suffice to give passive thermal flow through the sand.

NP Biopellets could be added to the tubes and replaced/topped off as they dissolve. This is a more efficient use than the traditional fluidized media reactors which are aerobic in nature.
 
The hard part with all of this is it is difficult to tell if it is working or not. You can have a successful tank and not know which methods are the keepers, or you could have an unsuccessful tank at no fault of the keeper :)
 
The hard part with all of this is it is difficult to tell if it is working or not. You can have a successful tank and not know which methods are the keepers, or you could have an unsuccessful tank at no fault of the keeper :)

So true but I think searching for a single solution to remove nitrates and phosphates out of our little biospheres is quixotic. I like your approach of using multiple layers of logical implementations to achieve that goal. I can see no reason incorporating free flow core(s) will cause harm and it may help remove unwanted nitrates so why not give it a shot. Do you agree?
 
Absolutely correct. The best ideas are ones that do no harm if they fail to achieve their goal.

The tunes in the sand offer a lot of flexibility. You can use larger diameter tubes with smaller tubes inside of them. This leaves room for 'speriment'n :)

Biodegradable plastic polymers such as NP Biopellets can be placed in one of these feeder tubes. You can shake the tubes periodically to free bacteria to feed sponges and corals.
 
Mr.Wilson,
Interesting concept you have here, I currently have a lifereef berlin sump setup that i added a 29 gallon tank to as a refugium with a jaubert plenium,
You mentioned earlier in this thread that biopellets would be most efficient in a plenium system, Can you elaborate and how would you set it up? I curently have 1.5" plenium, 3" crushed coral and then 3" of sand with some live rock and cheto so fare.
I would like to redo my fuge with your duplex concept, How would you set it up with bio-pellets? Would a piece of 2" pipe down to my plenium filled with biopellets be efficient?
I am gonna put a heater under the plenium, any other suggestions?
Mark
 
Mr.Wilson,
Interesting concept you have here, I currently have a lifereef berlin sump setup that i added a 29 gallon tank to as a refugium with a jaubert plenium,
You mentioned earlier in this thread that biopellets would be most efficient in a plenium system, Can you elaborate and how would you set it up? I curently have 1.5" plenium, 3" crushed coral and then 3" of sand with some live rock and cheto so fare.
I would like to redo my fuge with your duplex concept, How would you set it up with bio-pellets? Would a piece of 2" pipe down to my plenium filled with biopellets be efficient?
I am gonna put a heater under the plenium, any other suggestions?
Mark

I have limited experience with biopellets. They should be used in an anaerobic environment, even though they are sold for use in aerobic fluidized reactor. They do stick together as they dissolve, so a fluidized bed helps eliminate channeling and clogging, but it should be used as a closed loop with a slow throughput feed via dosing pump like a traditional nitrate reactor.

I think they would be effective in a feeding tube in a plenum, but I haven't tried it yet. You can manually shake up the tube to free bacteria to feed sponges and corals and to expose more surface area.
 
Here's Hoping Mr. Wilson is still monitoring!

Here's Hoping Mr. Wilson is still monitoring!

Hello Mr. Wilson,
I am going to try to post a low tech picture that I drew up on Paint (sad I know) I am in the middle of setting up a (limited) dream set up for me and my family.

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I have a couple areas (marked with red stars) that are still adjustable upon quality recommendations so I get the most benifit for the system.

I am moving from an Aquapod 24 gallon with a 40 gallon refugium to a great new 2 tank set-up. My family and I love the biodiversity, and enjoy viewing all aspects of the refuguim and sand beds, and pods and worms etc. (as much if not more than the corals and fish they support)

I would very much appreciate you advise on a couple of things.

1. Sump arraingment.
2. Overflow depth and contents
3. any oversights / suggestions

Currently I was planning on using the 27" portion of the sump merely as a body of water for water changes only, as the access to it will be very difficult / impossible (it is in a small cubby hole with only 4 inches above it)

But after reading this thread, I was curious if it would be better used as a benthic zone with egg crate running parrellel to the 72" tank length. I wouldn't duplex with anything above in that area. I would think that it would need very limited if any maintenance, and with a gentle flow or siphon hose, left in the back corner, I could hopefully flush any detritus out if it proved to be problematic. The section would be nice and dark and undisturbed (because I can't get to it)

The remainder of the sump I would like to have set up with the duplex idea.

I want to have as much variety as I can and don't want to overlook something.

I was thinking an 11" section of the sump will be used for the filter sock and skimmer. And I would need a section for a return pump. (maybe 10 gallon-ish? with ample extra room for power outage back flow)

The remainder of the sump is up for grabs...live rock, DSB (pref. in a glass or clear tray for maint./removal if it goes bad) more egg crate benthic zone / lit refugium above, etc. (any and all recomendations on sizes and types of areas would be much appreciated)

The overflow boxes behind the main tank were going to be 5" x 5", however I goofed on the glass size and cut the back panels wrong, so they can be made deeper (with new side pieces of course). If I made them 11" deep or so I was considering your idea of Xenia, or if I stayed shorter, Star Polyps in the overflow boxes, and maybe some aiptasia.
If I made one or both deeper, I would also consider a mini 5-6" deep DSB, perhaps with Mangroves in one of the overflows as well. (but am concerned with the surface area of the DSB being inadaquate in a 5" x 24" or 5" x 41" space, with (3)1.25" siphons taking up real estate) Would it be benificial? or disaster?

Finally in regard to the remote DSB in a bucket, would this still be a good idea or unnessessary / too much?

Wow long post, Any thoughts / suggestions / advice you could offer would be great! I would hate to get things set only to discover afterward what I Should have done :)

Thank you for your thoughts, and for a great thread.
 
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