Eco-Aqualizer (may fama article)

None of you have tried one... so how do you know they don't work.

Well, because the way that they are described they cannot work based on my understanding of science. If I told you that I can keep my reef aquaria in alcohol mixed with salt rather than water mixed with salt, would you need to test it yourself to believe that I was wrong?

They may work in some fashion other than as described by the people selling them, and they may not work at all. But they don't work by the mechanisms described.

That said, there are millions, if not billions of people that use products that don't really work, but for whatever reasons they believe them to work. Hope? Coincidence? True placebo effect? Who knows.

That's why approving pharmaceuticals in the US requires testing on huge numbers of patients (often many thousands). The effect on one or ten or 500 people is often not enough to demonstrate whether something works or not.

Still, you can run a nice experiment yourself. Now that things look good, change nothing except remove that product for a few weeks and see if things decline. Then if they do, add it back. take photos or otherwise record exactly what you mean by fish look better and more lively. Keep shifting back and forth a half dozen times. Your experience would be much more convincing if you went back and forth many times and saw the same effect every time.
 
I understand your point but how good would that be on my fishes health. I am not into stressing my fish out. All I can say is get one and experiment with it. Salt water is a complex mix and I am sure their are things we don't know or why they work but they do. I was edgy at first but after trying one. I changed my mind. Sometimes you just have to think out of the box. A good example is airplanes aren't really suppose to be able to fly. at least according to math but they do.:rollface: :rollface: :rollface:
 
A good example is airplanes aren't really suppose to be able to fly. at least according to math but they do

:lolspin: :lolspin: :lolspin: :lolspin:

If you believe that nonsense then I can see why you use this product

All I can say is get one and experiment with it.

. Salt water is a complex mix

So is the earth and some people still think its flat

Maybe you should go buy a Q-Ray Braclet

You may want to go to the RAG Forum, where Alf, the owner and ruler of the RAG Forum has the unit, which was given to him for testing by by the owner of Eco. Here are some short results;



Update:

Start of test. Kit used salifert
ammo. O
PH 8.3
alk 9.5
ca. 425ppm
Nitrite 0.0
Nitrate undetectable.
Ok well I installed the unit On my 2 year old 125gal reef system. After 20 days of test I have ran into a few observations. I have had 2 unexplained Deaths in the tank. First death in this tank for established critters in over a year. 1 fish [but this fish was only in my tank 3 months]. No signs of infection, was eatting well, disappered over night, and I never found the body[ which is not all that unusual in my tank] so that i could inspect it for problems. But what dissturbs me the most is I lost My 2 year old clam that was resideing in this tank. No signs of problems just up and died. Some of My LPS were not looking well either. Polyp extention was not at it's best.
So I ran some test. Ph staying at around 8.4, Ammo Zero, Nitrite undetectable, Nitrate undetectable. So this was not the problem. But My Alk had seem to fall over this 20 day period as well as CA. Alk was at 6DKH and CA was at 300ppm. First time in a long time these had fallen out of balance.

So I unhooked the gadget. I have a done a few water changes to bring the system back into balance. Once I have stabelized the system I am going to try again to see if the device is the cause of the problem.

At this point I want to be sure that the device is the root before blamming it. But at this point I am pointing my finger at it as this system has always ran stable up to this Time.

Also I had not seen any increase in skimmate that it claims to do. water clairity did seem to improve a little but they say it takes three full weeks before you start to see any change. So i did not quite make it to that point, but close.

All other fish are doing well, Clam that is 1.5 years old in this tank is also doing well. After the water changes and the device being offline three days polyp extention has returned.
test I ran this weekend:
PH 8.3
Ammo 0.0
Nitraite 0.0
Nitrate undetectable
Alk 9.5
CA 375
I should have the Ca back to levels by the end of this week. SO i hope to go back online this weekend and will see if the problem returns.
 
Boomer said:
OK, I got here before Jerel, so he can't say NO Boom don't say it. So IMHO you can stick this device where the sun doesn't shine...........maybe it will help from staining you shorts, just a thought:D

Just a minute, let me take the magnets out of my shoes, the wrist bans off (might as well leave the berets in my hair) - damn! I don't feel sexy anymore..........

STOP BOOM - DON'T SAY IT!

:D
 
Hmmm, So after all it seems to work quite well! :

I never found the body
 
All I can say is get one and experiment with it.

I'm sure that's what the manufacturers want too. Sell a thousand for "testing", get a bunch of mixed results as you'd get from testing any random dodad. Make $50 per unit. That's a cool $50,000 profit. Then folks lose interest, but what the heck we made some good money, didn't we. No let's move on to the next product: it should be for weight loss as that's where the really big money is for useless treatments (read Chitosan).

At the moment, you are happy having bought yours. I'm happy not having bought one. I think we'd best leave the situation unchanged to maximize our mutual happiness.:D
 
It is perhaps a totally different product but sounds fantastic and especially the approach is really good:

By now it is well documented that water has a memory and the ability to recall prior states as well as substances it has been exposed to.

The Plocher System utilizes this ability and just reminds the water of its original state as spring water. Gently reminded of this the water will restore its original properties as spring water: pure, energized and life-giving.

:D

http://www.rplocher.com/main.asp?pageid=17
 
it's my personal observation that these guys were the laughing stock of IMAC.

many people commented on just how effective "snake oil" can really be...:rolleyes:
 
Goemans always makes a big deal about having no ties to any manufactuers so that his always glowing product reviews are unbiased :p However in this case, there is a long standing relationship with Gamble going back quite a few years. So much for not having any ties :eek1:

many people commented on just how effective "snake oil" can really be...

All too true. Anyone remember Sano :eek2:
 
I hope he really believes what he writes.

Calcium is a suspended mineral, reacting quickly with most nonmetals. It reacts with all halides like iodine and bromine, often forming a film on metals.

He probably read that iodine and bromine will react with calcium metal to form a film, and assumed that the same would happen in an aquarium with calcium ion and bromide or iodide ions:D

Hey Jerel, he's down your way. Know him?
 
I had a feeling this would get around to involving me somehow. :rolleyes:

The short answer is yes! and no, I'm not going to ask Sam or Bobby about this. LOL

Sam and Bobby own Keys Mariculture, I own Keys Aquaculture. We're within walking distance of each other.

In his defense, I've using this product and my skin has never been clearer. It's taken years off my face and erased those fine lines and laugh lines I was having trouble with around my mouth and eyes.
 
Sam and Bobby own Keys Mariculture, I own Keys Aquaculture. We're within walking distance of each other.

Did you see any Klingon ships lately?
 
Oh God in Heaven! you're baiting me........

...................and you know how hard it is for me to resist!

Hab you know the joke and the answer. I don't think I can say that here. LOL
 
Habib,

Please stop posting links to those technical reviews!

Everytime I read or even glance at "technical bulletins" like those I feel more stupid than I did before. I'm certain the pseudotechnobabble is giving me a brainsuck.

I was just about to test calcium levels in my tank and now I can't remember how to use the test kit... I'm rereading the Salifert instructions and now they seem so much more difficult to understand... funny, they didn't before... um duh.

I believe the magnets in a tube are capible of returning me to a more pristine, less educated state via text over the internet...
 
This thread is getting even fuunier that the RO/DI thread:rolleyes:

liquid crystal

Just a thought but I have a few liquid crystal display watches,waterproof, so do you thing that if I suspend them in the tank things will all line up :confused:
 
Just a thought but I have a few liquid crystal display watches,waterproof, so do you thing that if I suspend them in the tank things will all line up

OMG, are you crazy? Keep those things away from the tank. If every water molecule lined up, the tank would solidify. I don't think corals and fish will like being encased in 80 deg F ice.:D
 
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