Economy, Foreclosures & lack of jobs.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13163324#post13163324 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wizsmaster
many are moving out of town ... up north ... where they have a better chance of finding jobs. out west ... up north ... middle of the country ...

I just spoke to someone down the street .. he's transferring to hawaii for fedex in the coming months ... another couple i spoke to is moving up to atlanta area as her husband has found a job there.
The biggest issue we have here in our area is lack of jobs. Many down here were self-employed, through real estate, construction, construction related (cleaning, design, architect, county/local government, surveyors, appraisers) .... concrete guys, framers, roofers, drywall guys ...
and since these guys are no longer employed, they are not out buying new trucks & cars, 4 wheelers & jet skies, motorcycles & big screen TVs or even go out to dinner 3x a week with friends & family... in turn the sales guy & owners of the ATV place/motorcycle shop ... the car dealerships, the waitresses, and the restaurant owners are not making it ... they don't go out shopping either ... it's a downhill battle.

Many of my previous subs are no longer in town .. i'd say a good 60% of the people/subs that used to do work for me are no longer in town ...
But you have to remember .. many of them came to fort Myers/Cape coral area when work really picked up here.

Before the bust, Florida's largest industry was realstate. You are correct the jobs are down and many are leaving.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13163769#post13163769 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by plyle02
As stated above with the realstate and mortgage industry, builders, contractors, etc, many of those laid off and out of work. I had a guy apply for a line cook position that was an out of work mortgage broker making over 60k per year looking for an hourly job at $11 per hour. This scenario played out on 2 other occasions. Not to mention, the closing of Bennigans and Steak and Ale certainly did not help. And this does not even include local privately owned restaurants closing. Fortunately for me, my company is re-positioning our brand and upgrading for our future growth. It is still scary though, nothing is certain right now. Not to be a naysayer, I always look at the positive side of things, just seeing lots of good people struggling. On a positive note, I purchased 93 octane gas today at $3.86 per gallon..... Hopefully the decling gas price trends might get a few more people out. Just have to wait and see.

Outback has a $9.99 sirloin dinner deal, I think they are hurting too.

What about Local Fish Stores? I hope none of them fold, but it has to be tough for them too. I know I have not spent any money in a LFS in over 6 months. )-:

Cheers,
Chris
 
Chris,
We currently have a BOGO offer out there....lol... Everyone doing there best to get the guest in, then upsell alcohol, apps, desserts..... Outback still has strong brand positioning, I doubt they are in any trouble, but we have to stay competitive to what the industry is doing. Some really good deals out there right now! Owell, I guess people will go out and enjoy adult beverages, despite how bad things get, alcohol has a unique way of helping us cope with our life issues.....lol....
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13163953#post13163953 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by plyle02
Chris,
We currently have a BOGO offer out there....

What is BOGO ?


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13163953#post13163953 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by plyle02
Owell, I guess people will go out and enjoy adult beverages, despite how bad things get, alcohol has a unique way of helping us cope with our life issues.....lol....

You know .. i tried that last year after some 'troubles' ... it only dried up my wallet, and POSTPONED the 'issues' ... didn't really helped me cope with them. lol

Needless to say .. i haven't drank since new years eve when i was out before the party started. ROFL
 
We have maintained a steady lifestyle through the financial ups and downs of life. Put more away when it is good, and less away when it's slow. I think the key is to live within your long term means. My house cost only 26K more than I made the year (2003) we finished building. I'm one of the blessed ones in that I've not experienced any financial slowdown yet, and my business is still booming. There are two empty foreclosures in my neighborhood. Both families were living at the "max" level, and had small financial bumps that they couldn't recover from. It's sad.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13164016#post13164016 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wizsmaster
What is BOGO ?




You know .. i tried that last year after some 'troubles' ... it only dried up my wallet, and POSTPONED the 'issues' ... didn't really helped me cope with them. lol

Needless to say .. i haven't drank since new years eve when i was out before the party started. ROFL

Sorry.....Buy One Get One free.....lol.....
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13163218#post13163218 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by david8956
A question for you guys "in the business".....How is the market for rentals? It would seem with this many foreclosures a lot of people would be looking to rent.....they have to live somewhere, and if they went through a foreclosure their credit probably isn't good enough to buy anything else right now.

My girlfriend recently moved in with me a couple of months ago and her house in St. Pete is unoccupied right now. We can either 1) sell it now in a depressed market, 2) rent it out, or 3) do nothing with it other than continue to make payments on it until the market rebounds (the least likely choice as this could be years down the road and that area just wasn't appreciating that much anyway)

Is there a good market for "clean" rental units right now?

David,
I can't keep any of mine empty. I had just rented out my last one today. There is a huge demand for rentals since the average renters are competing with people that are foreclosed.
I have seen rental price increase due to the demand. Do not sale now. Timing is everything in RE investment. Buy when no one is buying and sell when no one is selling.
Rent it out for as long as you can. RE has always been the best investment, if you plan well.
Good luck.
You got pm.
 
OMG, that was too funny! Left me in tears. :D

What was the name of that movie this scene is from...was it Downfall??
 
One thing that really bothers me is how companies are allowed to offshore all this work. They pay people offshore at a reduced price so the company gains that but when the offshore people spend their money it isn't spent in the US. Not to mention there are less jobs in the US reducing spending and demand.

A lot of large companies are not just offshoring their lower end call center jobs anymore. We're talking programming, MIS, analytical, technology support/helpdesk, etc. This is what our kids with college degrees are going to have to compete with but you can't compete with the wages they are willing to accept. I feel sorry for the kids of tomorrow that don't have degrees.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13161437#post13161437 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BrianD
I am curious. In boring Central Illinois, a newly built 3 bedroom ranch-style home (nothing fancy) can run around $200-$300k. This would be a typical "newer" home in most subdivisions here:

http://gardner-whitworth.com/2020ap...age_size=1&current_page=1&categoryID_list=1_8

Now, of course there are much higher-end homes around, but that is more the "average joe" house.

How does that compare to your area?

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13726618#post13726618 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by screamincamaro
One thing that really bothers me is how companies are allowed to offshore all this work. They pay people offshore at a reduced price so the company gains that but when the offshore people spend their money it isn't spent in the US. Not to mention there are less jobs in the US reducing spending and demand.

A lot of large companies are not just offshoring their lower end call center jobs anymore. We're talking programming, MIS, analytical, technology support/helpdesk, etc. This is what our kids with college degrees are going to have to compete with but you can't compete with the wages they are willing to accept. I feel sorry for the kids of tomorrow that don't have degrees.

I feel ya camaro... I've been a computer consultant now since 2002 when the insurance company sold the division I worked for in Indiana. All the companies I have worked for, 75% conservatively are all H1B.
 
I think people get so absorbed in the immediate issue that we lose site of the contributing factors of the problems. Couple weeks back there was a write up on a company in the Tampa area that announced they were laying off 400+ people and the jobs were going to be offshored. So they still lhad a need to employ 400+ people they just choose not to do it in the US. I think a lot of companies have been allowed to act irresponsibly whether it be offshoring, lending pracitces, financial reporting, etc...... which have all caused impacts to US economy.
 
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Well in the case of offshoring, everyone that I talked to has not had much success doing it. When a job requires a lot of interaction and detailed knowledge of how a (computer program in my case) should behave its just a nightmare trying to get a quality product. Sure these companies can get people to work for half as much but when it takes 5 times as long to get a working and many times inferior product everybody looses. But for whatever reason these companies don't see it that way. Hopefully in the future the trend will be to keep our jobs here and have citizens doing the work. I guess we will have to just wait and see.
 
I seem to have read that your next President was going slam the door shut on American Companies offshoring Jobs, Taxes {not paying what they should or escaping what they should pay} etc. and taking advantage of the system in particular but pretending to be American and taking advatages however they can.
Seems to me to be an overdue righting of a wrong {I am Canadian }
What I find interesting here in Bolivia, poorest country per capita in the Americas, is that most people here will not buy anything made in China, even though the article may be half the price of the same article made elsewhere, it is that Chinese made just is not any good, electrical fixtures and hardware in particular. F.W.I.W.
My read of the current situation is that it will take two years to get back UP to where things are today.
 
the american way. if we can afford 1 dollar we spend 5. we should have never bailed out the banks. there were alot better plans out there then padding there friends pockets with our tax dollars. do not even get me started on that.
 
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