elegance coral
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Elegance Coral theory
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Joshua1023
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Sounds logical enough. I had one that was under 20k lighting. I didn't know anything about the illness at the time. After posting some pics of the coral I was told to maybe try and move it a little closer to the light and maybe that would help. Well I figured I'd do one better and buy some more lighting. Well it was in my tank for 6 months until I added the light and next thing you know it was a slime ball. Good read and very thought provocing.
Thanks elagance.
Thanks elagance.
redFishblue
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Proper acclimation to lighting definitely is prudent advise.
Do you think it is 10k lighting in particular that is harmful (a 175w 10k lighting is worse than a 400w 20k for example) or just bright light in general? I had thought of it being lighting also but I have seen elegances melt under very blue vhos at a good LFS, and a friend has an indo one that is growing under his 400w 10k with actinics.
Either way, it was very interesting.
Do you think it is 10k lighting in particular that is harmful (a 175w 10k lighting is worse than a 400w 20k for example) or just bright light in general? I had thought of it being lighting also but I have seen elegances melt under very blue vhos at a good LFS, and a friend has an indo one that is growing under his 400w 10k with actinics.
Either way, it was very interesting.
gholtmeyer
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So what lighting do you suggest that we put an elegance coral in and what is the time frame/method for toughing them up for 250w 20k lights? Thanks for the article.
elegance coral
They call me EC
Thanks for the complement and for sharing your experience. Maby if we can get some more people to share their experiences with these corals we can all learn how to better care for them.
elegance coral
They call me EC
This is the problem. Finding the correct lighting. I believe that there is a limit to the depth at witch an elegance can live. I also believe we are harvisting them very near this maximum depth. There seems to be a very slim margin for error when decreasing light. The slightest drop in light will cause them to bleach. This is why I have 2 bleached corals. You have a little more wiggle room when increasing light from this point. The aquarium my corals are in now has light that looks slightly blueish. Not the crisp white light of the 10K and lower bulbs. I am running a 250W 14000K MH and actinic lighting. This seems to be working best. I believe that to muck light of any kind can be bad for these corals. If your lfs was running these vho's close the these corals they would glow like neon signs and look cool, but I don't believe this is the natural lighting they come from so I would not be shocked that they melted. I think the key is to try and mimic the light that they came from. Not an easy job I know. The indo elegance may have been collected in shallower water. I kept a shallow water elegance under 250w 5500K MH and it out grew a standard 55gl aquarium. I have heard that the Australian Elegances don't have the problem like the rest seem to. They don't need to dive to great depths to find them there.
Thanks for taking the time to read it and I'm glad you found it interesting.
elegance coral
They call me EC
I don't feel that 250w 20K lighting is all that bright. Did you have an elegance show these symtoms under these lights? Inflated oral disk and shrunken tentacles, and if so how close to the the light was it? I actually think that this may be a good place to start. I wouldn't put the coral directly under the light unless it was at least 1 foot under the water. With this light this is where I would start. Then I would adjust the corals position up or down as needed. With all the different light combinations available to us it is hard to say exactly what combinations work and what wont. Maybe some day we will all have light meters we can put in our tanks and tell exactly how much light our corals are getting. Untill then we just have to keep guessing.
One more thing to keep in mind about lighting is photoperiod. The amount of time that a deep water coral recieves enough light to fuel photosynthesis is much shorter then its shallow water relatives. I would run this light for about 5 hours in the middle of the day and florescence the rest of the time.
My study into how long it takes to completely heal one of these corals is ongoing. Most of the corals I have have been through the ringer in the past year. Bright light, dim light, low flow, fast flow, brown jelly, hunger, food soaked in phospate, abuse by tank mates. You name it and these poor fellows have been through it. I can't really put a time frame on this based on these corals. I still need to buy more corals to finish this research. I have no idea what i'm going to do with all these corals when I'm done.
I hope I answered your questions and thanks for taking the time to read my theory.
PS. Sorry its taking me so long to get back with the people that have asked me questions. I am having trouble with my ISP. It should be fixed on Tuesday
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elegance coral
They call me EC
Without an independant supplier it would be impossible for me to obtain an Elebance that I knew had not come into contact with other Elegance corals. I guess the closest thing I have to a control is my experiance and knowlage of these corals. The main question I am trying to answer is, What can the average aquarist do to keep these corals healthy. To answer this I have placed my corals in many different environments to find out what works and what doesnt. I know how a healthy coral reacts to different environments so I'm not sure what I would learn from having a healthy one here. I have used seperate systems during the course of my study but as of right now they are all in the same tank. Right now I am trying to prove (at least to myself) that this is not a contagion. I have 7 Elegances in different stages of this condition and one that shows no signs of it in the same tank. If this one and more that I purchase remain healthy living in this tank, that will be proof enough for me that it is not a contagion.
elegance coral
They call me EC
I see you live in Land O Lakes. I live in Lakeland. Maybe when I'm done with my research You can take one of my corals. I will have more then I have room for. They should be healthier then the ones that are new to the hobby. The only problem is that I dont know when I will be through.
gholtmeyer
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Once again, I have 2 250w and 2 110VHO. The lights are approx. 8 inches off of the water and the coral that I had was sitting on the sand. The sand is about 18 inches from the water surface. I had the elegance for almost a month before it died. It looked fine, then I came home one day to find it a mass of goo.
elegance coral
They call me EC
What you are describing sounds like a fast moving infection, not light exposure. These animals can be injured very easily opening up a sight for infection. These infections can move very rapidly not only in Elegance corals but in many corals. iodine supplements, while not a cure all, can help to prevent these infections. You said that your Elegance looked fine for almost a month. If it were a lighting issue the coral would show its displeasure in a day or two.
Elegance
Elegance
Hi guys,
I have had an elegance survive well for over a year now. It seems to be very happy. Some things I have noticed though, they seem to love the bottom of the tank and be in the sand. It doesn't mind a little flow (medium). I have a 150g with 2 xm 20k 250watts on the ends and 1 10k xm 250 in the middle. My elegance sits in the middle of the tank in the sand. The single biggest thing I have found to keep it happy and healthy is to dose phytoplankton. I have used DT's and now am using Kent Marine's Expert series phytoplankton. I add a couple of drops 2x weekly. I actually decided for a while not dose it to see how it affected it...my elegance actually started dying very quickly. On one end the skeleton actually became exposed. I started right back up with the phyto and with 2 weeks it had regrown the dead spots and tentacles are already extending from that spot. Pretty amazing...
Elegance
Hi guys,
I have had an elegance survive well for over a year now. It seems to be very happy. Some things I have noticed though, they seem to love the bottom of the tank and be in the sand. It doesn't mind a little flow (medium). I have a 150g with 2 xm 20k 250watts on the ends and 1 10k xm 250 in the middle. My elegance sits in the middle of the tank in the sand. The single biggest thing I have found to keep it happy and healthy is to dose phytoplankton. I have used DT's and now am using Kent Marine's Expert series phytoplankton. I add a couple of drops 2x weekly. I actually decided for a while not dose it to see how it affected it...my elegance actually started dying very quickly. On one end the skeleton actually became exposed. I started right back up with the phyto and with 2 weeks it had regrown the dead spots and tentacles are already extending from that spot. Pretty amazing...
elegance coral
They call me EC
That is amazing. I have never made a connection between plankton and Elegance corals. Do you feed it any larger foods like shrimp or fish?
feeding???
feeding???
I do not target feed it at all. I do feed the fish 2 cubes of brine/mysis 2x daily though. I pour the food in directly over the elegance. The fish usually get all the food before any gets to the elegance though. I have used cyclopeeze on occasion too. The elegance seemed to like that, but no near as much as the phyto. In those 3-4 weeks that I didn't dose, the elegance's color was not good at all and it wouldn't open up like it usually did. Keep in mind the phyto is the ONLY thing that I did different from my "norm". If you want to know what my regimine is let me know (as far as supplements etc...)
feeding???
I do not target feed it at all. I do feed the fish 2 cubes of brine/mysis 2x daily though. I pour the food in directly over the elegance. The fish usually get all the food before any gets to the elegance though. I have used cyclopeeze on occasion too. The elegance seemed to like that, but no near as much as the phyto. In those 3-4 weeks that I didn't dose, the elegance's color was not good at all and it wouldn't open up like it usually did. Keep in mind the phyto is the ONLY thing that I did different from my "norm". If you want to know what my regimine is let me know (as far as supplements etc...)
elegance coral
They call me EC
I'm more interested in your feeding. If your willing, I would like to see a little experiment. Try wiggling a small piece of shrimp or fish in its tentacles as if it were a small fish struggling to escape. The Elegance will grab it and put it in its mouth. A day or two later it may contract a little to dispose of any undigested food, but it will come right back. Before you start use a referance point in the tank to note how much the polup expandes. Feed the coral once a week for 8 weeks. At the end of 8 weeks check your referance points to see if the polup is expanding more then it was in the begining. I think you may be shocked at the results. If you don't want to try this because your Elegance is alive and seems to be doing well I understand. I just thought it would be interesting.
Thanks for your input.
Thanks for your input.
redFishblue
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That is a good observation. It would be easy to attribute death to the "unknown elegance syndrome" while its actually from a bacterial infection resulting from an injury.
Elegance injury
Elegance injury
Interestingly enough, my elegance was subject to an injury 4-5 months ago when my show-size hammer colony fell on it....it was damaged in 3 different places. I thought it would surely die. It came back after 3-4 weeks time with no problems. Mine has been reziliant.
Elegance injury
Interestingly enough, my elegance was subject to an injury 4-5 months ago when my show-size hammer colony fell on it....it was damaged in 3 different places. I thought it would surely die. It came back after 3-4 weeks time with no problems. Mine has been reziliant.
elegance coral
They call me EC
Re: Elegance injury
Re: Elegance injury
Sadly, you are one of the lucky few these days. You have some nice lights on your tank. I believe they become more reziliant as they acclimate to brighter lights.
Re: Elegance injury
Sadly, you are one of the lucky few these days. You have some nice lights on your tank. I believe they become more reziliant as they acclimate to brighter lights.
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