"Exotic Coral" 3600g Personal Aquarium
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GSMguy
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yes she has gotten the H Magnificas (ritteri) to reproduce.
yes clowns will not be able to survive in the wild without anemones, then again Shu tin could fill her tank with Magnificas 10x over and never put a dent into the wild populations..
the ocean is quite large but we all know that
yes clowns will not be able to survive in the wild without anemones, then again Shu tin could fill her tank with Magnificas 10x over and never put a dent into the wild populations..
the ocean is quite large but we all know that
abereefur
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clowns do lay massive amounts of eggs. but the larvae, no matter how well fed or taken care of, die off to a small amount. in the wild, there are also predators that feed on larvae of all type, which in many cases include clownfish larvae. from a batch of 500 eggs, you mght be able to get 100 fry in a VERY VERY protected environment. in the wild, imagine that surviving number much smaller. and... doesnt matter how many ritteris shutin has... its never going to do much harm to the amount in the ocean.
chrismunn
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i would think that the anemones she has would be in somebody elses tank if she hadn't gotten to them first. they might actually be in a bad position if not taken by her, who's to say?
in any case, i dont think it matters does it? if it is a problem some blowhard will see to it that the collection of ritteri's is outlawed. :lol:
in any case, i dont think it matters does it? if it is a problem some blowhard will see to it that the collection of ritteri's is outlawed. :lol:
chrismunn
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:lol: thats funny crazzy.
to me it souds like a morality question. "you know its wrong and you say you care, so why do you do it?"
it seems like a question better suited to be asked of a novus keeping a single ritteri rather than an expert keeping 20+ ritteri. obviously the questions emphasis is on keeping a large quantity, but if i had to argue on that subject i would say that the 20+ ritteri in that tank are much better off in that tank as opposed to having 20+ ritteri spread amongst 20+ questionable tanks.
its a perfectly legitiment question, and hopefully it doesnt become a heated debate. i know if someone told me to be a vegetarian (as a meat loving texan) ide be a little upset.
to me it souds like a morality question. "you know its wrong and you say you care, so why do you do it?"
it seems like a question better suited to be asked of a novus keeping a single ritteri rather than an expert keeping 20+ ritteri. obviously the questions emphasis is on keeping a large quantity, but if i had to argue on that subject i would say that the 20+ ritteri in that tank are much better off in that tank as opposed to having 20+ ritteri spread amongst 20+ questionable tanks.
its a perfectly legitiment question, and hopefully it doesnt become a heated debate. i know if someone told me to be a vegetarian (as a meat loving texan) ide be a little upset.
Reefski's
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my clowns spawn twice a month and i have yet to see any grow up.
the difference in the wild vs our tanks is the predators. we don't have a complete ecosystem in our tanks, yet no babies survive and the adults can live without a host which they CAN NOT do in the wild.
the anemones in the wild are very long lived but slow reproducing. they are very overcollected. sure, she may be able to keep them alive but most do not fair so well. many collected few survive.
this is truly one of the species collected that is not able to reproduce to keep up with the collection. some areas are decimated.
the difference in the wild vs our tanks is the predators. we don't have a complete ecosystem in our tanks, yet no babies survive and the adults can live without a host which they CAN NOT do in the wild.
the anemones in the wild are very long lived but slow reproducing. they are very overcollected. sure, she may be able to keep them alive but most do not fair so well. many collected few survive.
this is truly one of the species collected that is not able to reproduce to keep up with the collection. some areas are decimated.
Great discussion every one. I think if we could stay civil in our discussion, it would be good that we all can contribute to this subject. I avoided this types of discussions/questions before, because I just don't have the answers. I am happy to listen, and it may help others to make a better decisions in reef keeping, big or small.
dv0920 depicted some legitimate questions, but not sure I have the answers that you are looking for. I do believe in aquaculture, and it is the way of future. I have specific focus and objective what I wanted to do. I do have services people each week to help out. I also have a Marine Biology grad student that helps with research and propagation while David is away for a tour of duty. The costs of running my set up is not cheap, (although we tried to build a eco-friendly system) but my commitment is firm. I have ups and downs, and I always find way to work through as any good responsible reefer would have done. I've flown home on a red eye because one of the fish was sick. Would you canceled your over seas trips with family members because some anemones looked sick the day before departure? I did, more than once.
I have contributed to public aquariums with corals, and I'll continue to do that at the right time. I have gotten e-mails and requests for established anemones, and I am sure some smaller tank owners could have a few of my "babies" if I quit.
I am not trying to justify why I am soo deeply addicted to this hobby because I can not. I just wanted you to know that I am not an irresponsible person that is raiding the ocean and killing the anemones.
dv0920 depicted some legitimate questions, but not sure I have the answers that you are looking for. I do believe in aquaculture, and it is the way of future. I have specific focus and objective what I wanted to do. I do have services people each week to help out. I also have a Marine Biology grad student that helps with research and propagation while David is away for a tour of duty. The costs of running my set up is not cheap, (although we tried to build a eco-friendly system) but my commitment is firm. I have ups and downs, and I always find way to work through as any good responsible reefer would have done. I've flown home on a red eye because one of the fish was sick. Would you canceled your over seas trips with family members because some anemones looked sick the day before departure? I did, more than once.
I have contributed to public aquariums with corals, and I'll continue to do that at the right time. I have gotten e-mails and requests for established anemones, and I am sure some smaller tank owners could have a few of my "babies" if I quit.
I am not trying to justify why I am soo deeply addicted to this hobby because I can not. I just wanted you to know that I am not an irresponsible person that is raiding the ocean and killing the anemones.
Shutiny, I think that you're THE most responsible reefer that I've seen, simply because of the expense that you have involved with your monster tank. I doubt if the fish and anemones even know that they aren't in the ocean.
And they are probably MUCH safer in your tank then they would be if they were still in the ocean. If anything, I suspect that they will spawn more easily in your tank since they aren't being chased as food, each and every day.
And it's sad to think that tanks like yours might be where MOST of the life, as it exists in the ocean today, survives. The natural reefs are declining, the sea life is changing. You have a snapshot of time in your tank.
And they are probably MUCH safer in your tank then they would be if they were still in the ocean. If anything, I suspect that they will spawn more easily in your tank since they aren't being chased as food, each and every day.
And it's sad to think that tanks like yours might be where MOST of the life, as it exists in the ocean today, survives. The natural reefs are declining, the sea life is changing. You have a snapshot of time in your tank.
Johan Susanto
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wow you are so lucky to have big system.
my friend eddie Hanson told me abaout your systm since his stay in Indonesia for coral exporting.
my friend eddie Hanson told me abaout your systm since his stay in Indonesia for coral exporting.
With improvement of knowledge and food, there are several hobbyist breeders that are routinely getting almost 100% survival on some species, ie clarkii and occi. I have three pairs in the main display of different species that are spawning regularly. Jon and I set up a system to produce food for larvae recently. May be we'll do some clown fish breeding. The Mandarins are spawning every week, too!
The shallow water ritteris are mostly colonial types that reproduce mainly via fission. The deeper water species and much larger specimens may utilize sexual reproduction as the main propagation route.
The subject of reef destruction is soo complex for me and I do not believe it is a single source issue. But it is suffice to say, growth, farming, development have affected our ocean adversely.
Johan Susanto
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12589042#post12589042 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Johan Susanto
wow you are so lucky to have big system.
my friend eddie Hanson told me abaout your systm since his stay in Indonesia for coral exporting.
Yes, I am lucky in lots ways. I am lucky to have friends like Eddie. Hope to see you soon, john
