Facts on the 6025 vs 6045

rvitko

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I am posting this in response to some questions people have had and some observations people have made. I want to set a few things straight before people get carried away with a bunch of conspiracy theories. First, some people have said that a 6045 does not have any greater flow that a 6025, they cannot feel a difference with there bare hands. This is simply untrue, below is the photographic proof. 6045 on the left, 6025 on the right.

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Someone has approached me saying that the readings of a watt meter are inconsistent with the packaging. This is true, the European models are more inline with the stated wattage at about 6.6 for a 6045 and 6.4 for a 6025. The US models differ more as a result of the added turbulence from the higher rotation and shorter propeller.

6025 Wattmeter reading

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6045 Watt meter reading

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Please note that the above readings vary, they can be up or down for a given pump by as much as .5W.

Some of you have inquired about modifying the 6025 to increase flow, I had initially stated that the front housing was identical, this is not true. The 6045 has a shorter pipe (internally) and a tab to stop backwards rotation. I was wrong, I had not worked with a 6045 in such detail until recently. My last test work of these pumps was back in June and I had forgotten many details and the samples I had were not identical to the final versions. The 6045 is different from a 6025 in the length of this pipe, the propeller reversal mechanism and the size of the potting area over the motor coil. Other aspects are the same. The 6025 has added drag, hence the higher wattage and the lack of a reversal tab, the drag alone will reverse the propeller. Modification seems to result in the inability of the pump to correct it's rotation without intervention as both halves are different and matched in function. If you are wondering the front housings are non interchangeable. The tabs will not line up to secure a 6045 housing on a 6025.

So, with this said, you may wonder why two pumps? The answer is simple, many people need a lower flow pump for a smaller tank, we made the 6025 specifically for these tanks and the 6025 is simpler to make, the moldings are less complex.

You may wonder why the $30 difference, well, truth be told we could have sold both for $75 but that isn't wise marketing. There is no conspiracy here. If you believe this is some price gouging conspiracy than you would also have to question why a car with 2.8L V6 is so much less than the same manufacturers 3.2L when the block is identical and the assembly work is the same. Why is a skimmer with a 4" taller tube $100 more than one with a shorter tube, certainly 4" of acrylic is not $100, not even if the pump has a 25c more copper and a 25c bigger magnet. Most manufacturers subsidize the price of the cheaper model with the added price of the higher model. The actual difference in costs of manufacturing is usually only a few percent but people expect the bigger one to cost more than the smaller one.

One last thing, the 6025 actually pumps 2800l/hr, so roughly 730gph, the 6045 actually pumps 4300gph, so about 1130 gph. I would rather that truth be known and come from me. None of this was done with any intent to decieve, the differences are just the reality of how things change from 230-115 and 50Hz -60Hz and from prototype to final model and they are all within legally accepted deviations.

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Roger, I just bought two 6025s and am ready to return them as defective. The propeller blows backwards and spits sand all over the damn aquarium. About 75% of the time it does that on one and it does it about 20% on the other pump.

Is there an easy DIY fix for this?

It is driving me mad, and it seems that what ever the cost to use an anti-reversible device, it should be made mandatory for all models, not the more expensive units. This design flaw is something I would expect to see in a $12 rio, not a $62 Tunze powerhead.
 
Oh, I also wanted to use this on a Neptune Aquacontroller wavemaker device. That is why I need it to spin in the proper direction 100% of the time.
 
The 6025 does not need the anti rotation device. They will all spin backwards on start up, even the 6045 but they should right themselves within 20 seconds. If they are angled sharply up, on both models, this affects the ability of the pump to right itself as the propeller has to fly out of its socket and hit the stop or fall due to resistance the resistance. If the pump is sucking in air this also will cause a problem. I would suggest running the pumps without the controller for a few days to get them worn in properly and then try your controller observing all the things I stated here.
 
Roger, I have a 21x20x12 deep nano with a deep sand bed. I do not have 20 seconds for the pump to right itself. This is a design flaw. It should start in the right direction all the time.

I have never seen this problem with using rios, or maxijets. Why would this be?
 
As I explained in your other post, impeller pumps can spin backwards and do, it has no effect on flow. A prop pump though can only spin one way and work, this is why they are not so common, and why they don't work well on wavemakers. It is not so much a flaw as just the nature of the beast. The 6060 and 6080 have elaborate brake mechanisms to get them spinning the right way. The 6000, 6100, 6200, 6300 and 6055 have sensors and electronics to make sure they spin the right way. The 6025 and 6045 have a simple gravity mechanism. The DIY kits have stops or use gravity as well but they tend to have the same problems.
 
Ok, thanks for the assistance. I read the other thread too. I have not had any experience with propeller pumps before this, so the info was insightful.

Unfortuneately I have another problem with these. The flow is too great and blows sand. I have pulled them oput of servise and went back to the standard powerheads.

I will send you a PM.
Cheers
 
Tell me more about the tank, what are the dimensions? I think I can get this to work for you.
 
The tank is 21 x 18 x 12 top to bottom. It has a 3inch 4inch in some spots sandbed with sugar fine sand. I will post a picture in a few.
Cheers
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9152635#post9152635 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cerreta
The tank is 21 x 18 x 12 top to bottom. It has a 3inch 4inch in some spots sandbed with sugar fine sand. I will post a picture in a few.
Cheers
that is really pusing it that is 8 inches deep water the sand is going to get kicked
 
I can confirm the fact that the 6045s push more water around. I just replaced a pair of 6025s with a pair of 6045s in my corner tank. The difference in flow is noticable; while there is not an apparent increase in speed of the water leaving the pump, the flow in the areas further from the pumps, like behind the rocks and in the corners, has definitely improved. Of course the water must be exiting the 6045s at a faster rate than the 6025s, as the pump opening is identical in size. But, it appears that the water just spreads out more throughout the tank; no increase in sand blowing around. I'm really happy with the 6045s.
 
I have one question. Why are these pumps called nano's? They pump more water than any of my 4 powerheads in my 75.
 
Because they are small in size and they have low flow output compared to the other line of stream pumps which produce tons more flow than these.
 
Re: Facts on the 6025 vs 6045

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9142076#post9142076 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rvitko
The 6045 is different from a 6025 in the length of this pipe, the propeller reversal mechanism and the size of the potting area over the motor coil. Other aspects are the same. The 6025 has added drag, hence the higher wattage and the lack of a reversal tab, the drag alone will reverse the propeller.

Where is the added drag on the 6025? Is it just the output tube that is shorter on the 6045?

Thanks,

Dave
 
It is a combination of things, the 6025 has a longer tube that creates more turbulence and drag on the prop and changes the reversal method used vs the 6045. Both halves of the pump are actually different and not interchangable.
 
Yeah, defineately. I had one in a 4-6 inch DSB 2o gallon custom and it was way too powerful for the tank. I had to remove it.
 
So are the 6045's available and if so, what is the cost?
Can they, and the 6025 be put on a controller?

Thanks Roger.
 
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