Finally, a surge tank without the noise, bubbles, space, or plumbing!

[All__talk]

I conceived of a similar variable/multi pump surge system a while back for a large upgrade that I cant afford right now. My simple ATO solution was (assuming both surge and ATO are run by the same controller) was to just shut the ATO down while the surge was on.

Now, keeping the drains silent with the variable flow is a challenge.


Gary

 

[acesq]

Does anybody have a good Apex code for creating a surge using a dc pump. I would like to try the concept using dc pumps in a closed loop but can't quite figure out the programming for a surge every half hour or so. Scott?

 

[slief]

Does anybody have a good Apex code for creating a surge using a dc pump. I would like to try the concept using dc pumps in a closed loop but can't quite figure out the programming for a surge every half hour or so. Scott?

Here is a link to my Apex Tunze programming. It will explain the use of profiles and how to incorporate them into the variable speed outlets.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1994312

You can use those profiles but don't enable divide by 10 in the profile and change the on time and off time to your desired intervals.

Here is a quick profile example that should accomplish what you may be after:

Surge_1
Synchronize Disabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 1800
Off time (Seconds) 1800
Minimum intensity 30
Maximum intensity 100


The above profile will ramp the pump from 30% power to 100% power every 30 minutes. It will also remain at each setting for 30 minutes. The On time is the time it spends at Maximum intensity and the Off time is the time spent at minimum intensity. Initial Off time is useful if you have multiple pumps and want to stagger their on/off times. Synchronize will sync multiple pumps.

 

[JAustin]

This thread is full of fail without pics.....

Pics!!!!!

 

[slief]

This thread is full of fail without pics.....

Pics!!!!!

How do you photograph a surge?? I think a video would be more worthy. :thumbsup:

 

[acesq]

Here is a link to my Apex Tunze programming. It will explain the use of profiles and how to incorporate them into the variable speed outlets.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1994312

You can use those profiles but don't enable divide by 10 in the profile and change the on time and off time to your desired intervals.

Here is a quick profile example that should accomplish what you may be after:

Surge_1
Synchronize Disabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 1800
Off time (Seconds) 1800
Minimum intensity 30
Maximum intensity 100


The above profile will ramp the pump from 30% power to 100% power every 30 minutes. It will also remain at each setting for 30 minutes. The On time is the time it spends at Maximum intensity and the Off time is the time spent at minimum intensity. Initial Off time is useful if you have multiple pumps and want to stagger their on/off times. Synchronize will sync multiple pumps.

Thanks Scott. I'm not sure that works for me. My pumps normally ramp up and down between 45 and 70 percent during the day and 35 to 50 an night. I wanted to have a "surge" profile that was 90 percent for one minute that ran every half hour. I can create the profile, but what is the command to run a profile once every half hour between say 7 am to 8 pm and where would I put that command in the pump command string (beginning or end?)

 

[slief]

Thanks Scott. I'm not sure that works for me. My pumps normally ramp up and down between 45 and 70 percent during the day and 35 to 50 an night. I wanted to have a "surge" profile that was 90 percent for one minute that ran every half hour. I can create the profile, but what is the command to run a profile once every half hour between say 7 am to 8 pm and where would I put that command in the pump command string (beginning or end?)

I could be complicating this but..

Surge_1
Synchronize Disabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 60
Off time (Seconds) 60
Minimum intensity 90
Maximum intensity 90

Then create a timer and add an OSC line to it that turns the timer on every 30 mintutes and keeps it on for one minute.
Add another line that keeps it off between 20:01 and 07:00


The timer could look something like this.
Timer_1
OSC 030:00/01:00/000:00 Then ON
If Time 20:01 to 07:00 Then OFF


In your variable speed would need this line:
If Timer_1 ON Then Surge_1

 

[acesq]

That looks like it will work! (And yes, it is complicated ) Thanks Scott.

 

[slief]

That looks like it will work! (And yes, it is complicated ) Thanks Scott.

Glad to help. There are good examples with explanations of this in my thread. The 3rd post covers the use of timers and OSC commands as they are used to trigger profiles.

:beers:

 

[zachfishman]

Anybody make a Carlson surge and have tips on how to tame the noise or salt spray? Noise and spray won't be too much of an issue for me (public aquarium installation), but any way I can limit the two are beneficial. :thumbsup:

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

Anybody make a Carlson surge and have tips on how to tame the noise or salt spray? Noise and spray won't be too much of an issue for me (public aquarium installation), but any way I can limit the two are beneficial. :thumbsup:

Yes. See my original post. That's what this thread is about.

 

[zachfishman]

Yes. See my original post. That's what this thread is about.

I don't mean replacing the surge device with your DC pump plan, I'm asking if anyone here has a Carlson surge and if they have any tips/mods for reducing bubbles and noise.

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

Does anybody have a good Apex code for creating a surge using a dc pump. I would like to try the concept using dc pumps in a closed loop but can't quite figure out the programming for a surge every half hour or so. Scott?

The code Silef posted is essentially what I do. You need to create profiles for normal and surge operation, a timer outlet which is ON when you want to surge, and then tell the pump outlet to activate the surge profile when the timer outlet is on.

 

[BrettDS]

This is definitely an interesting idea, and I actually just installed a Jebao DC pump for my return and have it connected to my apex, so I might play around with this idea a bit. Unfortunately neither my plumbing, nor my pump is really oversized, so I'm not sure I'll get much of a surge effect, but it should still add some additional randomness to my water flow when combined with my two MP10's. I'm also still within my return period on the Jebao pump, so if I really like it then I might be able to exchange it for a larger one.

As far as ATO goes, right now my apex only turns on my ATO for two minutes every hour, so I'm thinking I can just turn off the 'surge' effect a minute or two before that happens to allow the water to settle down and let the ATO do it's thing. Depending on how noticeable turning off the surge effect is, I might consider letting my ATO run less frequently or possibly even just at night.

 

[karimwassef]

what's wrong with a real actuated surge (Apex controlled)?