Financing a "large" tank.

Personally... after being married and being father, I switched my hobbies.

I sold my motorbike, my snowboard, my wakeboard boat and boards and used those money for the aquarium.

I made myself the aquarium stand, the lighting and electrical part and I saved money by purchasing "used" rocks, fish and coral frags from friends.
 
Keep it coming,

Fully agree on looking for sales, particularly on salt. Not sure I've paid $26 for 200 gals of IO, but I have parted with $35 for same. Buying used can work, but you need to be careful and observant so as not to simply buy someone else's problems. I personally don't like to buy big tanks used, particularly when Marineland has periodic sales on their tanks, sometimes as much as 40% off. Avoid high priced 'designer' equipment and never pay a premium for live sand :)
 
I'm not sure you all realize what a 400-500g system really costs to put in from scratch ... Go take a look at the 410g build the forum member in SW Fl has done. He talked about all the equipment he purchased to set this system up from scratch. Just do a Google search and add uplp ll the costs ... That's for starters. He changes out 90 gals/month in water changes so he needs to make over 1,000 gals of salt water/yr, then add in food & sups. Now you're ready to add animals and while you can add 100 or so 1" frags you usually put in a lot of mother colonies since you have the space ... Andndon't discount things like the extr monthly electric bills associated with running a big system and a backup generator and a chiller ...
When all is said and done I think you'd be surprised at the monthly operating costs of these types of systems on top of the one time expense to set it up ....

Back in 2005 I purchased a 35' flybridge sport fishing boat for $150,000. Now while that may not seem like an excessively large amount of money it's the monthly ops costs you need to worry about, 500/ month dock fee, 2,500/year insurance, 3,000-5,000/yr in maintenance if there we no major issues ... Oh, and the boat had a 400 gal fuel tank at $3.10/gal for desiel ..... And that's not even spending one penny yet on fishing expenses which was the sole purpose of the boat ....

Bottom line, can you do a large tank with household incomes around 80,000-100,000k? Probably but you're asking for trouble in the long run ... One of the forum members building one of these said he was a hedge fund mgr .... He probably doesn't make $80k a year ....
 
First things first buy the tank and get that out of the way so you can start buying equipment for the tank. My next tank will be 750g or more and I have already started buying equipment for that build ( which is still yrs away). Unless you make a ton of money it would be very difficult to shell out the 30k or so it would cost to setup a 500-700g. Planning well and finding deals on used equipment is always a plus
 
I wanted to upgrade my system from 120 to 220 and I started getting the estimates for glass tank and lowest estimate for tank alone I got was 3000K, Charging CC is not an option and I always buy my equipment that is capable of handling much larger system for example ,Calcium reactor, Protein skimmer, return pumps stuff like that so I decided to built plywood tank and I am done with my build and now cycling process is going to begin next week and everything (Plywood, hardware, sealer, glass, 2 Sumps, Frag tank, external pump) cost me 1500.00. I am very happy, In this hobby you should be able to do some of your stuff by yourself and get yourself more knowledge about reef so local fish stores don't take your for long ride.....JMO
 
I agree about buying the tank up front, but I wouldn't get too carried away on buying all the equipment. For example, look how much LEDs have advanced in only the last couple of years. I would work out as many details in advance as possible on any technologies that aren't likely to change much, but things like skimmers, pumps, lighting and electronics are always changing so maybe leave an open budget for those items.

Dave.M
 
Reading your stories it seems us guys from Eastern Europe running our reef tanks are really crazy to even start having them. Yet we still do it... It's not all about money, but also love for the hobby. If you really love something you'll always find the way.
 
I only have a 125 so I don't think it fits in with your "large" tank title, but I'm going to upgrade in a few months to a larger tank 200DD....
I make one or two large purchases a year for my tank. Since I have good equipment, the second purchase of the year will be the new tank.
I refuse to let this hobby, or any of my other hobbies, become burdensome to me. It's a HOBBY, it's supposed to be fun!
 
I wanted to upgrade my system from 120 to 220 and I started getting the estimates for glass tank and lowest estimate for tank alone I got was 3000K.

Not sure where you are in the world, but the Marineland 220 regularly goes on sale for under $1,000 in my area.
 
started with a 125, was going to upgrade to a 280. bought the tank in 2005 I think maybe 06, don't remember purchased a bunch of stuff, waited a bit purchased more. in 2011 I finally started my build. It took me until early 2013 to actually have coral and fish in it. Since then I guess I spend about $150 per month on it. maybe a bit more some months. I'm definitely not rich. But $150 is not something I cannot handle.
 
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I am in same world as you are in :-) but marineland 220 size does not fit my needs and I wanted external overflow box and drilled for closed loop and wanted 2 sumps and frag tank....

Not sure where you are in the world, but the Marineland 220 regularly goes on sale for under $1,000 in my area.
 
I started buying things for my larger tank before I even bought the house I'm in now. I saw an mp40 for a steal, then another, then a skimmer that I wanted was used for very cheap. I bought all my equipment except my lights used and just waited for the deals to come. Same thing with fish. I have a crosshatch trigger that I got shipped from Hawaii by the guys catching them. Saved $600 over what a LFS would have charged me. You just have to be patient and these tanks can be affordable.
 
I am in same world as you are in :-) but marineland 220 size does not fit my needs and I wanted external overflow box and drilled for closed loop and wanted 2 sumps and frag tank....

Custom does add to the cost, no question. Before settling on the ML265, I explored a custom alternative and it's about 3x; give or take.
 
Financing A big reef tank you cant be poor. My 300 sps tank burns through quite A bit of money A month. The guy building the 30,000 gallon tank on here, that's A whole different ball game.
 
My household makes about 70k a year. I run a 220g that has cost me a lot. I saved for a year and my monthy cost isn't to high. I have no debt and we don't have to sacrifice anything we want to keep the tank. I'd same some of these large builds are people who have a lot of discretionary income. A 300g tank doesn't cost much in the long run. A 500g tank could be another story. Iv spent more on corals then my tank cost.

Also it depends on where you live. Some places have a higher cost of living then others. My housing market in my city is one of the best in the us. So my house payment is much less then a person living in other places. Allowing my to have some extra income.
 
Where there is a will there is a way...and when you go too big, you prioritize...
I have a 225 in the basement, a 75 and 40 upstairs all plumbed to a basement fish room w/2 125 gallon sumps.

I wanted my cake and to be able to eat it too...I found the electric bill was tough to justify when I wasn't spending any time in the basement to enjoy the big tank.

So I had to choose what was more important to me. I decided to do a big tank (fowlr) upstairs where I will enjoy it, and set up my starter Aquapod again(back as a simple nano) by my desk for my small amount of existing coral. I chose this compromise because I already own livestock that requires a large tank. I believe in maintaining that responsibility and not dumping the fish off on a LFS where they will sell them to someone who thinks their 55 is a "large tank."

So long post short...(too late) It was a bang for the buck decision for me. I don't make 6 figures but I love my slice of the ocean, so I'll make it work. I don't blame folks with big incomes for going big on their setups one bit. I would love an MP60 at each end of my new 300, but I know a couple Hydor Magnums will get the job done for a FOWLR. :)
 
i guess it all depends what your definition of really good money is, i am in this hobby and many more based on my income

my definition of really "good money" is 500k + income.

i am sure the guys here running 300g+ reefs are not far from that category (at least as a household income)


C'mon. I doubt a 300 gal reef requires even close to a 500k household income :headwally:

Im pretty sure i could manage between a 200-400 gallon reef on less than 100k a year easily.
 
500 k dam I guess I have to sell the 300 and 260:headwalls:


Buying in bigger quantity always helps. We buy a years worth of salt every boxing day.
 
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