Oceanguyjamie
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I am posting this thread and confessing to my stupidity. I am doing this in the hope that I can spare someone else from making the mistakes I made. Or perhaps someone will have some sage advice for me. I hope that advice isn't "get out of the hobby you are marine terrorist," though right now I feel I deserve that.
I have successfully had a beautiful amazing tank for over a year now. Photo attached.
But over the course of a week I sadly have lost almost every single fish in my tank. I chalk it up to an irresponsible decision I made to introduce a Porcupine Puffer last Sunday. But it is possible that had nothing do with it, or everything to do with it. In any event, I am providing you with as much detail so perhaps I can spare others from making the same mistakes.
If I have learned one thing from this, it is definitely something I read sometime ago, maybe you even said it but something along the lines of "a marine aquarium is an incredibly fragile ecosystem than can crash at any moment."
Mine did this week and I am baffled as to why.
In any event, everything was going very well in my tank. I had a major green hair algae outbreak a couple months ago. Persistence and determination and deep cleaning cured it finally and my tank has been free of the pesky stuff for a couple months now. My water parameters have also been perfect for several months, nitrates and phosphates low, water crystal clear, everything perfect, or so one would assume.
But Sunday I bought a new porcupine puffer. I have wanted one for quite some time and finally my aquarium store called me and said they had one that cleared their quarantine. They quarantine all new fish for three weeks in a quarantine tank treated with copper and I have never had an issue with any fish I have bought from them.
They had some concerns over the fact that I had a dwarf lion and a yellow longhorn boxfish also purchased from them, but advised me to keep an eye on them and if any issues bring him back.
I introduced him to the tank and all was well. No aggression, no issues, everyone seemed happy and seemed like they were getting along.
The next night (Monday) all of sudden I heard a sound at 2 AM. Of course I investigated and what to my wondering eyes did appear, Wanda, my box fish was sitting on my dogs couch. She apparently jumped from the tank and landed on his dog bed. Soft fall, but none the less. I quickly grabbed her and put her back in my tank. She seemed to be fine though stunned and dazed. After about an hour or so, she returned to being her old jovial self.
The next morning I woke up and found one of my butterfly tangs had died. A single incident but I questioned, remembering box fish can emit a toxin and I've read mixed reports on the internet to say they can wipe out your tank and others have said, never a problem. I figured if she had emitted a toxin because she was stressed it would have killed everything immediately.
Over the course of the next few days however, one by one, at a rate of 2-3 per day, I began losing more and more of my fish. Would go bed, everything seemed fine, to wake up with them dead at the bottom of the tank.
I moved Wanda (my boxfish) to my quarantine tank, did a 50% water change and carbon change and hoped that would take care of it.
Not so. Yesterday my lion fish and my porcupine puffer both died. I noticed over the course of the week that the eyes on many of my fish in the tank clouded over. In addition, white spots were forming on all my fish. Very rapidly over the course of this past week completely covering most of the fish in my tank.
Ich?
Now my blue tang and a couple other fish are exhibiting signs of dying. It looks like I am going to lose every fish in my tank.
I am baffled. But have a theory I am sending your way to see if anyone thinks it has any merit.
I can only surmise: the introduction of the porcupine puffer stressed my box fish. She released her deadly "nightshade" after making a suicidal leap and surviving by me putting her right back. I think this may have weakened and stressed the fish in the tank, those that it didn't immediately kill. (found 1-2 dead the next morning). In their stressed state, ich propagated, rapidly, killing them one by one over the course of a week. Have read that stress can cause this, but can ich be deadly in a matter of days?
Is there any merit to that theory? Curious if any of you have any thoughts. Is something else possibly going on?
Lesson learned: "When everything is stable, don't change it. Don't mix incompatible fish. And lastly, Jamie, you have a lot still to learn if you are going to be successful at this hobby."
It is heart wrenching. I value life, all life, and it kills me to think my decisions may have wiped out my entire collection of fish.
On a positive note, my corals and my tank have never looked better. But one by one, I am losing all my fish and don't know why?
Feel free to tear me apart or offer your two cents. Either way I am all ears and open. I don't want this to happen again. At this point going to try to move the few remaining fish I have to a quarantine tank and treat with copper. Not sure if it is too late or that's the answer, but willing to try.
I have successfully had a beautiful amazing tank for over a year now. Photo attached.
But over the course of a week I sadly have lost almost every single fish in my tank. I chalk it up to an irresponsible decision I made to introduce a Porcupine Puffer last Sunday. But it is possible that had nothing do with it, or everything to do with it. In any event, I am providing you with as much detail so perhaps I can spare others from making the same mistakes.
If I have learned one thing from this, it is definitely something I read sometime ago, maybe you even said it but something along the lines of "a marine aquarium is an incredibly fragile ecosystem than can crash at any moment."
Mine did this week and I am baffled as to why.
In any event, everything was going very well in my tank. I had a major green hair algae outbreak a couple months ago. Persistence and determination and deep cleaning cured it finally and my tank has been free of the pesky stuff for a couple months now. My water parameters have also been perfect for several months, nitrates and phosphates low, water crystal clear, everything perfect, or so one would assume.
But Sunday I bought a new porcupine puffer. I have wanted one for quite some time and finally my aquarium store called me and said they had one that cleared their quarantine. They quarantine all new fish for three weeks in a quarantine tank treated with copper and I have never had an issue with any fish I have bought from them.
They had some concerns over the fact that I had a dwarf lion and a yellow longhorn boxfish also purchased from them, but advised me to keep an eye on them and if any issues bring him back.
I introduced him to the tank and all was well. No aggression, no issues, everyone seemed happy and seemed like they were getting along.
The next night (Monday) all of sudden I heard a sound at 2 AM. Of course I investigated and what to my wondering eyes did appear, Wanda, my box fish was sitting on my dogs couch. She apparently jumped from the tank and landed on his dog bed. Soft fall, but none the less. I quickly grabbed her and put her back in my tank. She seemed to be fine though stunned and dazed. After about an hour or so, she returned to being her old jovial self.
The next morning I woke up and found one of my butterfly tangs had died. A single incident but I questioned, remembering box fish can emit a toxin and I've read mixed reports on the internet to say they can wipe out your tank and others have said, never a problem. I figured if she had emitted a toxin because she was stressed it would have killed everything immediately.
Over the course of the next few days however, one by one, at a rate of 2-3 per day, I began losing more and more of my fish. Would go bed, everything seemed fine, to wake up with them dead at the bottom of the tank.
I moved Wanda (my boxfish) to my quarantine tank, did a 50% water change and carbon change and hoped that would take care of it.
Not so. Yesterday my lion fish and my porcupine puffer both died. I noticed over the course of the week that the eyes on many of my fish in the tank clouded over. In addition, white spots were forming on all my fish. Very rapidly over the course of this past week completely covering most of the fish in my tank.
Ich?
Now my blue tang and a couple other fish are exhibiting signs of dying. It looks like I am going to lose every fish in my tank.
I am baffled. But have a theory I am sending your way to see if anyone thinks it has any merit.
I can only surmise: the introduction of the porcupine puffer stressed my box fish. She released her deadly "nightshade" after making a suicidal leap and surviving by me putting her right back. I think this may have weakened and stressed the fish in the tank, those that it didn't immediately kill. (found 1-2 dead the next morning). In their stressed state, ich propagated, rapidly, killing them one by one over the course of a week. Have read that stress can cause this, but can ich be deadly in a matter of days?
Is there any merit to that theory? Curious if any of you have any thoughts. Is something else possibly going on?
Lesson learned: "When everything is stable, don't change it. Don't mix incompatible fish. And lastly, Jamie, you have a lot still to learn if you are going to be successful at this hobby."
It is heart wrenching. I value life, all life, and it kills me to think my decisions may have wiped out my entire collection of fish.
On a positive note, my corals and my tank have never looked better. But one by one, I am losing all my fish and don't know why?
Feel free to tear me apart or offer your two cents. Either way I am all ears and open. I don't want this to happen again. At this point going to try to move the few remaining fish I have to a quarantine tank and treat with copper. Not sure if it is too late or that's the answer, but willing to try.