fish stocking advise

[kevin1234]

Hi I am starting a new 180g fowlr tank and I have a couple of question regarding the fish population of it.

here are the fish that I tought would be good:

1 juvenile blue angel (holocanthus bermudensis)
1 regal angel
1 majestic angel or a annularis angel
2 Threadfin Butterflyfish (chaetodon auriga)
2 masked butterflyfish (chaetodon semilarvatus)
2 fridmani pseudochromis
5 anthias :1 male,4 females (barlett or squamipinnis or squarespot witch ever is the easiest)
1 blue pacific tang or a achilles tang
1 golden pygmy angel
2 red High-fin Shrimpgoby with pistol shrimp
2 Bangaii Cardinalfish
2 purple firefish
2 firefish
1 Bluestripe Neon Goby

is this fish population appropriate?
are there to many fish?
can a juvenile blue angel fit in this tank or will it outgrow it?

tks

 

[petoonia]

That sounds like way too many fish. I would cut back on a lot of the smaller fish, and a few of the larger ones. I would get 1 large angel, 2 butterflies, 1 pseudochromis, 1 Blue Tang, 1 Pygmy Angel, a mated pair of Shrimp Gobies, the anthias, 1 purple firefish, and 2 or 3 neon gobies. I would also suggest a gold midas blenny.

I think your fish will be much happier in a less crowded tank.

 

[cuttle killer]

i think blue angel will be fine, but seems a lil over crowded.

 

[mwwhite]

I highly recommend tank-bred Bangaii Cardinals. Wild-caught are very risky, not likely to survive. I've been told that wild-caught Fridmani's can be aggressive. 'Can't confirm, ours is tank-bred and is a good tankmate. Multiples of each can be a problem - they can be aggressive towards conspecifics. Maited pair might work.

I'll defer to others for the remaining fish on your list (which looks like quite a bio-load).

 

[BadOleRoss]

I dont have a problem with the number of fish, just make sure you add them slowly and in the right order. I have a 220 with 400+lbs of LR and 30+ fish and everyone is fine. Good luck.... Oh, I would leae the bangai's out all together, boring fish.....IMO

 

[kevin1234]

btw its going to be a 180g fowlr with about 180lbs of live rock.
how about this fish list:
1 juvenile blue angel (holocanthus bermudensis)
1 regal angel
2 Threadfin Butterflyfish (chaetodon auriga)
2 masked butterflyfish (chaetodon semilarvatus)
2 fridmani pseudochromis (mated tank bred pair)
5 anthias :1 male,4 females (barlett or squamipinnis or squarespot witch ever is the easiest)
1 blue pacific tang
1 golden pygmy angel
2 red High-fin Shrimpgoby with pistol shrimp
2 Bluestripe Neon Goby

ps: I wasn't going to put all these fish together they were just my favorite fish thats all...


tks

 

[petoonia]

I think your going to have a really nice set up!! I still think you should add a blenny to the list, every tank should have one.

 

[kevin1234]

I might ad a striped blenny (Meiacanthus grammistes).

so Is my future bioload good?

 

[petoonia]

You could probably add a few more fish if you really wanted. As long as you keep up with water changes, and have a good skimmer your bio load should be fine. Good luck with the new set up!!!

 

[kevin1234]

ok so up to now my future bioload is going to be:

1 juvenile blue angel (holocanthus bermudensis)
1 regal angel
2 Threadfin Butterflyfish (chaetodon auriga)
2 masked butterflyfish (chaetodon semilarvatus)
2 fridmani pseudochromis (mated tank bred pair)
5 anthias :1 male,4 females (barlett or squamipinnis or squarespot witch ever is the easiest)
1 blue pacific tang
1 golden pygmy angel
2 red High-fin Shrimpgoby with pistol shrimp
2 Bluestripe Neon Goby
1 striped blenny
I would like to know wich kind of anthias is the easiest to get feeding cause I don't want to loose them?

witch fish should I put first?
should I put the anthias first so I can get them to feed alone or should I put the regal angel in first to get im eating?

 

[chacha]

Add a lg. sump to increase your water volume and you should never have a problem as long as your maintance habits are good.

 

[kevin1234]

witch fish should I put first?
should I put the anthias first so I can get them to feed alone or should I put the regal angel in first to get im eating?

 

[kevin1234]

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[Sk8r]

I second the large sump recommendation: I ran a 10g sump with a 54g tank, and it just wasn't enough. I now have a 30 with the same tank, and *finally* have room for a refugium, a refinement I truly recommend for the general health of the water. Remember that your fish depend for health on water balance, and the more meat-eaters you have, the nastier the mess the skimmer has to handle, if you know what I mean. Your vegetarians can be just about as messy; the lowest impact is from fish that eat naturally occurring algae, or film algae [some blennies do this] or that eat copepods and other naturally multiplying tank life---which multiplies nicely with a refugium. Do consider one---sounds like you're going to have a really nice system.

My own advice, if I were populating such a tank, I'd start with the smallest fishes, the ones with the least impact, then start adding the bigger fish one at a time, at the rate of 1 every couple of months, the most aggressive last---the last thing you want is a really aggressive fish who thinks the whole tank is his---the reason for the separation is so your system can work out any kinks before you hit it with a mega-population. Just my two bits.

 

[kevin1234]

is a 75g sump big enough cause thats what I have currently.
for the small fish should I put the 2 blue stripe gobys first cause they are the smallest fish in my list and I don't think that the 2 shrimpgobys and the pistol shrimp will find enough food cause the tank ain't gonna be mature enough to have plenty of pods etc..

I am going to put a refugium but is it ok if it isn't on top of the tank?
I was planning of doing a separation in the sump to make one.

Is this a good introduction order:
first the 2 bluestripes then a month later the anthias(to get them to feed) then a month later the regal (to get him to eat as well) and then any other fish from the list exept the tang that will be introduced last.

btw witch anthias are the easiest to feed?

tks

 

[kevin1234]

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[xian]

You may want to take a look at the adult sizes of some of those fish, especially the angels. 180 seems big but those fish can grow to be over a foot long.

I'm glad you took the achilles tang off the list. Nice fish but tempermental they do best when they are the center of attention.

I'd be careful adding more than one of those butterflies. Also consider that the anthias like alot of space, they may not thrive if the tank is crowded.

 

[kevin1234]

so what do you suggest?
what do you mean by ading more than one butterflies? do you mean only putting only one kind or putting one fish of each?

and for the angels I believe you are talking about the blue angel but since it is gonna be a juv it might take a couple of years before it outgrows my tank and in that time I will surely have a bigger tank as we always go bigger

for the anthias they will have a lot of swimming space because the aquascaping of the live rock will be a rock wall and alot of liverock will be in the sump.

and the atlantic blue tang will be a juv cause I want to see him change colors like the blue angel ( wich will also be a juv).

 

[kevin1234]

I changed my mind on the pseudochromis fridmani I will put a pair of pseudochromis elongatus (red head elegant pseudochromis) instead and for the anthias I will take 5 female squamipinnis anthias(orange lyretail anthias) and hopefully the dominant female will become a male.

any other suggestion of fish stocking in a 180g tank ?
what would you guys put ?

 

[edvale]

I'm sure your fish list will change as time goes on. I know mine did!