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Hi Luk Fox,
I just made the freshwater baths to prevent other skin infeccions that normaly are connected to ich. Normally I don´t attack the ich - I just help the fish to fight him self! I feed them garlic and a lot of different foods including natural sponge.
I´d made the second bath this morning and the fish is really well. Here´s a pic...
Now I´m gonna fight the trofonts and try to took them away from my aquarium. Normally I´ll do some water changes with a gravel clean up.
Cheers,
Diogo
I just made the freshwater baths to prevent other skin infeccions that normaly are connected to ich. Normally I don´t attack the ich - I just help the fish to fight him self! I feed them garlic and a lot of different foods including natural sponge.
I´d made the second bath this morning and the fish is really well. Here´s a pic...
Now I´m gonna fight the trofonts and try to took them away from my aquarium. Normally I´ll do some water changes with a gravel clean up.
Cheers,
Diogo
wow i can see this guy updating this thread in a few months. here is my prediction. two of the idols will be dead or he will have removed them because they beat the crap out of each other. hes feeding him sponge which is good but they are very aggressive fish to conspecifics. there will be a outbreak of disease because he added a crapload of fish all at once without letting his tank catch up and he did not QT as far as I can see so there will be many contagious diseases. many of the butterflys will also be dead because they will get much much aggression from the others as I can see from his list many of them are very aggressive to congenus . the emp angel will also be on his way out of the disease did not get him because the tank will be too small for him and he will waste away. thats my word.
Hi honda2sk,
I don´t know you and obviously you really don´t know me! I don´t just jump on things to see if it works! I´ve more then 20 years of experience with salt water reefs and fishes.
Don´t you worry about my fishes because I really know how to take care of them! Thanks for your concern...
For your information the Idols just don´t care about other tankmates, they just swim across the aquarium! Maybe they will get agressiv has they grow - I´ll be watching it!
Right now what I can say is that they are with me for 3 weeks and they allready are eating in my hand fresh and dry food. I think that is a good start!
Cheers,
Diogo
I don´t know you and obviously you really don´t know me! I don´t just jump on things to see if it works! I´ve more then 20 years of experience with salt water reefs and fishes.
Don´t you worry about my fishes because I really know how to take care of them! Thanks for your concern...
For your information the Idols just don´t care about other tankmates, they just swim across the aquarium! Maybe they will get agressiv has they grow - I´ll be watching it!
Right now what I can say is that they are with me for 3 weeks and they allready are eating in my hand fresh and dry food. I think that is a good start!
Cheers,
Diogo
Big E
Premium Member
I love the butterflies & your overall fish selection but I agree with honda2sk. The idols & anthias look thin & undernourished & with the ich you have going on in your tank, I'll be suprised if there aren't some deaths in this tank.
The tank was stocked too fast & is overcrowded with some of the most difficult fish species known for long term success.
Those anenomes will also need special care. You better get those powerheads covered or one of the nems will surely get sucked into one of them a create a major system disaster.
You have got a real challange ahead of you & I hope you prove me wrong & these fish & anenomes live for years.
The tank was stocked too fast & is overcrowded with some of the most difficult fish species known for long term success.
Those anenomes will also need special care. You better get those powerheads covered or one of the nems will surely get sucked into one of them a create a major system disaster.
You have got a real challange ahead of you & I hope you prove me wrong & these fish & anenomes live for years.
Toddrtrex
Premium Member
IMO, the tank is very overstocked, and I see troubles down the road, but best of luck to you.
But, my biggest concern is the Heteractis magnifica anemones, (( looks like you have two )) the lighting you have just isn't enough for them. They require a point source lighting, metal halide. And having all those butterflys in there would make me nervous too.
Best of luck.
But, my biggest concern is the Heteractis magnifica anemones, (( looks like you have two )) the lighting you have just isn't enough for them. They require a point source lighting, metal halide. And having all those butterflys in there would make me nervous too.
Best of luck.
I know many people who also have over 20 years of experience with fish and reefs and some of them even own LFS! But thats not my point. You have so much experience then how come even a lay person who just read one or two books would know not to add so many fish at once and let the biological filter catch up after each addition. They would also know to QT every fish they get once at a time and not just throw them in the tank. As you can see in your tank what happens if you don't QT and treat before they go in display..disease outbreak. You added fish that either dont go together or who are too large for your tank. The butterflys you added some are very aggressive towards congenus and the three idols you got are very aggressive towards conspecifics so they will harass each other very soon. And emp angel will need a much bigger tank sooner then you expect. Even though you have 20 years experience it seems like you lack knowledge in some very basic methodologies. Im not trying to put you down just trying to help. Maybe reading a few books or hanging out in this forum will help a lot.
Hi,
Thanks for your post.
Maybe I´m wrong but the truth is that I had a magnifica for 4 years under T8 florescente lights. I just feed her once a week and she did fine... I have 4x80W T5 lights right above the water (less then 5 cm) and the anemones don´t really try to reach the light. Don´t you think that´s a sign that they are ok were they are?
Nevertheless I´ll keep an eye on them.
Thanks,
Diogo
Thanks for your post.
Maybe I´m wrong but the truth is that I had a magnifica for 4 years under T8 florescente lights. I just feed her once a week and she did fine... I have 4x80W T5 lights right above the water (less then 5 cm) and the anemones don´t really try to reach the light. Don´t you think that´s a sign that they are ok were they are?
Nevertheless I´ll keep an eye on them.
Thanks,
Diogo
Hi again,
The reference that I had made for the 20 years was just to insure that I´m not doing research with this fish. I really respect them. Has you said there are many persons with more then 20 years of experience always doing things wrong. I can assure that is not my case. Taking that in concern (and written words are often missunderstud), please don´t miss understud my words but all the basic methodologies that you mentioned are just the things that you often read in the books. I´m used to break those "rules" and so far with some luck...
My tank is seetled for more then 2 years now and I just switch it from a reef tank to a FO. Taking that in concern I´m not worried about the biological issue.
I don´t QT the fishes in house because I really don´t have the space to do so but all the fishes that enter the aquarium were previously QT either in the retailer or in LFS.
I can give you a some examples of aquariuns smaller then mine that has a lot of fishes for a long time.
The ich is just a natural thing to happen and even with QT fish it could apear once it is in my tank. As you know the importante thing is to assure that the fishes are eating well and give them good conditions. They are all eating - that´s why I´m not really concern about the appearence of some spots on them.
It´s importante to break the trofonts cycle. What I´m used to do are some water changes cleaning the gravel to insure that those trofonts that are not in the fish are caught. This is halfway to sucess. The fish natural defenses will do the rest.
That´s just my point and the way I see this hobbie. There are no rules just some ideas. Hope I´m right - the time will tell! I´ll be the first to assume if it wont work out as I´m planning.
Cheers,
Diogo
The reference that I had made for the 20 years was just to insure that I´m not doing research with this fish. I really respect them. Has you said there are many persons with more then 20 years of experience always doing things wrong. I can assure that is not my case. Taking that in concern (and written words are often missunderstud), please don´t miss understud my words but all the basic methodologies that you mentioned are just the things that you often read in the books. I´m used to break those "rules" and so far with some luck...
My tank is seetled for more then 2 years now and I just switch it from a reef tank to a FO. Taking that in concern I´m not worried about the biological issue.
I don´t QT the fishes in house because I really don´t have the space to do so but all the fishes that enter the aquarium were previously QT either in the retailer or in LFS.
I can give you a some examples of aquariuns smaller then mine that has a lot of fishes for a long time.
The ich is just a natural thing to happen and even with QT fish it could apear once it is in my tank. As you know the importante thing is to assure that the fishes are eating well and give them good conditions. They are all eating - that´s why I´m not really concern about the appearence of some spots on them.
It´s importante to break the trofonts cycle. What I´m used to do are some water changes cleaning the gravel to insure that those trofonts that are not in the fish are caught. This is halfway to sucess. The fish natural defenses will do the rest.
That´s just my point and the way I see this hobbie. There are no rules just some ideas. Hope I´m right - the time will tell! I´ll be the first to assume if it wont work out as I´m planning.
Cheers,
Diogo
These rules are not like table manners or something that you learn as a child. These are very good guidelines that experienced and knowledgeable people have published or passed on in some other way so that we may benefit at home. They are not to be followed blindly but there are thousands and thousands of aquarists who agree with them and trust me, if something is wrong with a "rule" there will be many many people jumping all over it and proving it wrong in a short amount of time.
You don't have the space to QT? Bad excuse. I don't know anyone who does not have a space for a 10-20 gallon little tank when they have the room for a 200 gallon tank like you do.
You say the retailer (LFS) is QTing them for you? Are the fish in their own individual tanks with their own water? Because if they are not then there is no way their "QT" is going to be worth anything.
Yes ich is natural but is does cause much stress and even death in fish. If you properly QT and treat everything you put in your tank, you will never see ich. My tanks have been disease free for over a decade now due in part to always QT'ing every addition for 8 weeks and your can be too!
Big E
Premium Member
Your luck has already been running out. You lost the plebius butterfly, I assume the vagabund also, as I don't see it.
I don't see the potters angel, or the copperband(rostratus), lunula butterflies in your most recent pics. I'm going to assume these have also died........if not, why aren't they up with the rest of the fish feeding??
You're going to lose more fish.............it's just a matter of time.
Please keep this updated & prove me wrong.
Hi,
I really love the sarcasm in your words! Thank you so much for your suport!
As you can read in the first page of this thread I´de lost the potters, rostratus, plebeius, and the lunula. They were all dead from one moment to the other and they were all eating inclusive dry food. Unfortunately all this fish are caught (at least most of the time) with cianet. They are well, eating... in a moment the poison just destroy the fish interior and he dies with no reason to justify that!
The vagabund was in the refugium and when I put him in the main tank we was brutally atacked by the 2 aurigas. This really was a mistake. Unfortunately the fish is dead!
As you can see this is not a matter of luck but don´t you worry because I´ll keep you posted!
Cheers,
Diogo
PS - I´d just remember that I had another dead - the collare.
I really love the sarcasm in your words! Thank you so much for your suport!
As you can read in the first page of this thread I´de lost the potters, rostratus, plebeius, and the lunula. They were all dead from one moment to the other and they were all eating inclusive dry food. Unfortunately all this fish are caught (at least most of the time) with cianet. They are well, eating... in a moment the poison just destroy the fish interior and he dies with no reason to justify that!
The vagabund was in the refugium and when I put him in the main tank we was brutally atacked by the 2 aurigas. This really was a mistake. Unfortunately the fish is dead!
As you can see this is not a matter of luck but don´t you worry because I´ll keep you posted!
Cheers,
Diogo
PS - I´d just remember that I had another dead - the collare.
With all due respect - isn't five dead fish telling you something?
My first big tank was a 125 gallon FOWLR. I added lots of fish within a three month period - I killed so many Tangs and Angels that I care not tell the number. I lost a lot of money and it left a very bad taste in my mouth. I realized I had to learn more - long story short - I learned what I had to and I stopped killing fish but a lot of my hard earned money was wasted!
Of course, if you're rich - hey, buy as many fish as you want.
My first big tank was a 125 gallon FOWLR. I added lots of fish within a three month period - I killed so many Tangs and Angels that I care not tell the number. I lost a lot of money and it left a very bad taste in my mouth. I realized I had to learn more - long story short - I learned what I had to and I stopped killing fish but a lot of my hard earned money was wasted!
Of course, if you're rich - hey, buy as many fish as you want.
Big E
Premium Member
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or critical, but merely pointing out that all your rule breaking is killing fish. People reading this thread need be be aware of this so they don't follow the same path.
If you stop making excuses & really look at what you're doing there are some valuable lessons to be learned.
For example, the vagabund & the aurigas have similar color & body patterns. This should have been considered before putting them together, as agression was a possibility.
The fact is most fish die at the hands of the hobbyist. If more people would realize this from the onset, instead of trying to do things their own way, there would be a lot more healthly & long lived fish.
If you stop making excuses & really look at what you're doing there are some valuable lessons to be learned.
For example, the vagabund & the aurigas have similar color & body patterns. This should have been considered before putting them together, as agression was a possibility.
The fact is most fish die at the hands of the hobbyist. If more people would realize this from the onset, instead of trying to do things their own way, there would be a lot more healthly & long lived fish.
OffshoreNdeep
New member
Wow amazing pic on 10/6
Wow amazing pic on 10/6
I do admire your taste in fish and your setup was quite pretty...
"I agree!!! But I do have the conditions to house them with confort! A excelent skimmer, a good refugium witha DSB, a lot of good Live Rock, ozone and UV are the most important to consider in a FO tank - I have them all!
Meanwhile I had put the Zanclus and also some other fishes that had some crypto spots into a Fresh Water bath"
Do you really think they are living in comfort with ICH and no QT??
You should re-read your post from the beginning, people here are telling you they are not agreeing with your approach for obvious reason which you will find if you re-read from 8/28...Please don't take offense to their advises, but you should seriously consider them...I hope you are indeed a lucky aquarist as you claim...
Sorry but I am not impressed with adding 20 of the most difficult fish (some 12"'s and 2 x Magnifica anemones) all in 1 month!!
I will be tagging along, Good Luck!
Wow amazing pic on 10/6
I do admire your taste in fish and your setup was quite pretty...
"I agree!!! But I do have the conditions to house them with confort! A excelent skimmer, a good refugium witha DSB, a lot of good Live Rock, ozone and UV are the most important to consider in a FO tank - I have them all!
Meanwhile I had put the Zanclus and also some other fishes that had some crypto spots into a Fresh Water bath"
Do you really think they are living in comfort with ICH and no QT??
You should re-read your post from the beginning, people here are telling you they are not agreeing with your approach for obvious reason which you will find if you re-read from 8/28...Please don't take offense to their advises, but you should seriously consider them...I hope you are indeed a lucky aquarist as you claim...
Sorry but I am not impressed with adding 20 of the most difficult fish (some 12"'s and 2 x Magnifica anemones) all in 1 month!!
I will be tagging along, Good Luck!
