Fragging Haddoni

[ousnakebyte]

Wow I did not realize that this was such a hotly debated topic..

Well, to me and others on here it's not debated - fragging those species doesn't work. Only E. quads and H. magnificas. And even then, magnificas seem to be a bit touchy about it - probably owing to their already sensitive nature.

Cheers
Mike

 

[BonsaiNut]

Is there a way to induce anemone spawning? I have two 12"+ giganteas and 12" red haddoni. Just want to see if I have a male and female pair.

Try looking at the nems at night. Shine a bright flashlight on their oral disk and look at it from below. You are looking for eggs. They are easy to see if you know what to look for - lots of small circular objects grouped loosely in vertical lines. Females won't ALWAYS have eggs (ie absence of eggs doesnt necessarily mean you don't have a female) but they often have eggs - even if they have just spawned.

For what it's worth, female H. crispa and E. quadricolor are less numerous than males. It may be the same with S. gigantea, but no one really knows.

 

[BonsaiNut]

Wow I did not realize that this was such a hotly debated topic..

Yeah lucky - the only reason it keeps coming it is because of those irresponsible YouTube videos and general ignorance. People frag corals or zoos or even coralimorphs, and assume that you can do the same with anemones. It won't work for most of the clown anemone species.

 

[trueblackpercula]

anything is possible ;-)

 

[ryanrid]

S. gigantea have NO record of EVER being successfully fragged. .

wont be long now....

 

[deangelr]

wont be long now....

Hmmmm...... Heard that before.. still waiting for you to start your thread.

 

[elegance coral]

anything is possible ;-)

Come on man........ You know that is not true. That's just something we tell our children, but we're all lying. :lmao:

You can't grow wings and fly away, You can't jump from 30,000 feet without a parachute and survive, and you can't cut a gigantea in half and end up with two healthy individuals.

 

[trueblackpercula]

Come on man........ You know that is not true. That's just something we tell our children, but we're all lying. :lmao:

You can't grow wings and fly away, You can't jump from 30,000 feet without a parachute and survive, and you can't cut a gigantea in half and end up with two healthy individuals.

funny one but there has been a few people that have jumped from planes and lived with out a parachute . ;-);-);-);-);-);-)

 

[trueblackpercula]

Please check this out..... http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=114684

 

[aday2remmbr]

Nooooo! Not again!!!!

(1) Only two anemones (E. quadricolor and H. magnifica) are known to asexually reproduce with any frequency in the wild. Only these two species can be fragged with anything approaching a 50% or better success rate (ie over the long haul you end up with more anemones than you start with). Even for the hardiest, most prolific clown anemone (E. quadricolor) the success rate is not 100%.

(2) Some anemone species that have limited or no records of asexually reproducing in the wild (S. gigantea, M. doreensis, et al) have NO record of EVER being successfully fragged. Lots of people have tried, lots of anemones have died. Zero successes.

(3) Some anemone species (S. haddoni, S. mertensii, et al) have occasionally been fragged successfully, though success rates have at best been 50%, and the jury is still out about the long term impact to the fragged offspring. In other words, an anemone was cut in half, one half lived and one half died, and the half that "lived" ended up slowly dwindling and dying after a short period (perhaps a year or so).

DO NOT BE FOOLED by videos of people cutting anemones in half! Any fool with a razor blade and cutting board can cut an anemone in half! You will likely just end up killing a beautiful creature as well as wasting a lot of money.

believe me i am not going to start an argument with you but i have successfully fragged every nem except for a beadlet and a malu, but i have not tried those.

of course bubble tips are hardier and therefore easier to let heal up, fragging the other nems requires impeccable water conditions and they also take much longer to fully heal, 6 months to even a year.

 

[aday2remmbr]

Come on man........ You know that is not true. That's just something we tell our children, but we're all lying. :lmao:

You can't grow wings and fly away, You can't jump from 30,000 feet without a parachute and survive, and you can't cut a gigantea in half and end up with two healthy individuals.

i can.......... lol

edit: this is just a joke, not serious whatsoever.

 

[elegance coral]

The only person reported to have survived from 30,000 feet did not jump. They were in a section of the plane that glided down, then slid down a slope. The others mentioned were from much lower. You know what I mean anyway. All things are not possible.

 

[elegance coral]

i have successfully fragged every nem except for a beadlet and a malu, but i have not tried those.

Why would you say that????? Do you have a shred of evidence to back up your claims of grandeur?

 

[aday2remmbr]

Why would you say that????? Do you have a shred of evidence to back up your claims of grandeur?

i dont wish to start an argument, i do not have proof of it, but how could you prove anything without taping every step of the way. i will not say i have proof or any evidence. but i will say i have done this.

 

[elegance coral]

i dont wish to start an argument, i do not have proof of it, but how could you prove anything without taping every step of the way. i will not say i have proof or any evidence. but i will say i have done this.

It's easy to prove. Just some pic's showing the cut anemone, then pic's periodically as it heals. It's not that difficult to prove, if it actually takes place.

Calfo made claims very similar to yours. When I asked him to prove it, he couldn't do it either.

 

[ousnakebyte]

i dont wish to start an argument, i do not have proof of it, but how could you prove anything without taping every step of the way. i will not say i have proof or any evidence. but i will say i have done this.

Ahhh... well, that does it. I'm convinced then.

 

[Toddrtrex]

So, you are claiming that you have fragged; S. Haddoni, Gig, and H. Cripsa, successfully, but decided that documenting it wasn't important?? I am sorry, but I am having a very hard time believing that. It could have been something that could have turned around this hobby and saved countless wild anemones, but again you didn't think to document it??!!

 

[aday2remmbr]

it was over ten years ago, i did not do a gigantea i will say that. i know i should have just kept my mouth shut. back then around here it wasnt uncommon at all, even the lfs would do it to get more anemones in their tanks.

 

[ryanrid]

Hmmmm...... Heard that before.. still waiting for you to start your thread.

wont be long now, getting close to 6 months.:xlbirthday:

 

[elegance coral]

i have successfully fragged every nem except for a beadlet and a malu

, i did not do a gigantea i will say that.

So when should we believe what you're saying, and when should we not?