FS: A. Samoensis colony

[Yinger]

I bought this colony from a store and its done nothing by grown bigger. I can't get the color out of it so I just decided to get rid of it. Maybe someone else has better luck with it. Its about 6 inches tall and 5 inches wide. The store told me it was a nice blue when they recieved it. $50 dollars and please bring something to pick it up in. Thanks for looking.

 

[mope54]

Where do you have it placed?
My friend who has done SPS forever now raised his lights one day a few inches and got a lot more coloration after that. It was more complicated than that, but basically he explained that a lot of times we pound SPS with light and sometimes it's too much.

 

[supernareg]

i grew acros and hydnophoras under 130watt PC lights (1 50/50 and 1 10k)... with BEAUTIFUL coloring.

 

[Yinger]

A. Samoensis require really intense lighting and intense flow. i have it about 12 inches under a 250 10k light with a 6100 from the opposite corner blowing at it. It's one of those species that browns out easily and takes forever to color up. I just don't have the patience for it haha.

 

[Yinger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10054984#post10054984 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by supernareg
i grew acros and hydnophoras under 130watt PC lights (1 50/50 and 1 10k)... with BEAUTIFUL coloring.

okay...

 

[mope54]

The ones he kept were extremely rare and light demanding...my point was that "intense lighting" can mean all sorts of things. If you're just going to sell it anyway, you might try moving it down in the tank to see what happens.

 

[Yinger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10055014#post10055014 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mope54
The ones he kept were extremely rare and light demanding...my point was that "intense lighting" can mean all sorts of things. If you're just going to sell it anyway, you might try moving it down in the tank to see what happens.

from what i've read, most people with samoensis, humilis, or gemmifera (all types of finger coral) all keep them very close to the top. If it doesn't sell, i'll move it to the center of my tank and see if it does better there. I wouldn't mind keeping it, but if i can't get it to color up, i'd rather make room for something else ya know.

 

[mope54]

Yeah, but you've also read they "take forever to color up"

Just sharing what one of my friend's inadvertantly learned...that the conventional wisdom of putting some of these corals near the top and waiting forever for them to color *may* be unnecessary. That said, I have no idea what kinds of corals he had or whether he would say the same about yours. But he has a lot of experience and may have a tip or two. IIRC, he runs 250's DE as well.

If you want to PM him, my buddy's name is DT's_Reef.
I don't keep SPS, but I doubt he'd mind if you contacted with a Q or two.

 

[Yinger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10055048#post10055048 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mope54
Yeah, but you've also read they "take forever to color up"
If you want to PM him, my buddy's name is DT's_Reef.
I don't keep SPS, but I doubt he'd mind if you contacted with a Q or two.

haha, that's right... that's why i said i don't know if i have the patience for it to change. Maybe i'll drop him a PM though. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[mope54]

Hey Yinger, I edited my post to be more clear
that the people you're reading putting them near intense light and then waiting so long for them to color up may be because they're getting too much light.

The DE's put out a *lot* of light.

The more I think about it, the more I think he was talking about not getting some brown coral to turn purple...I just exhausted my knowledge on distinguishing SPS corals! LMAO

Good luck with the sale if that's what you decide to do, though.
looks like a great piece...as far as static corals go

 

[Yinger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10055066#post10055066 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mope54
Hey Yinger, I edited my post to be more clear
that the people you're reading putting them near intense light and then waiting so long for them to color up may be because they're getting too much light.

The DE's put out a *lot* of light.

The more I think about it, the more I think he was talking about not getting some brown coral to turn purple...I just exhausted my knowledge on distinguishing SPS corals! LMAO

Good luck with the sale if that's what you decide to do, though.
looks like a great piece...as far as static corals go

haha, thanks mope54

 

[rykwong]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10054984#post10054984 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by supernareg
i grew acros and hydnophoras under 130watt PC lights (1 50/50 and 1 10k)... with BEAUTIFUL coloring.

Maybe I should switch out my lights to PC's so I can color up my corals.

 

[mope54]

if your sig is right, you're not running very intense lighting anyway with SE 175's. But if they're not coloring up, then you migth try some netting to make some shade or move them around. I see a lot of cookie cutter recommendations...the person I was referring to has over 13 years in the hobby so I'm sure he's tried all kinds of combos.

have no idea what supernareg had a 2x65 over (assuming that's how he ==130w), but if it was over a 10 or 20 gallon nano it's not very surprising that he'd have plenty of light.

 

[rockindacheeks]

not to hijack but 175w Iwasaki 14ks are more intense than most 250w lamps. rykwong has plenty of light in his tank.

sorry Yinger... good luck on the sale. If i had room in my tank i'd take it.

 

[mope54]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10057538#post10057538 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rockindacheeks
not to hijack but 175w Iwasaki 14ks are more intense than most 250w lamps. rykwong has plenty of light in his tank.

More intense than some, but I wouldn't claim "most."
Regardless, if you read my posts I wasn't saying rykwong didn't have enough light...the discussion was whether people are using too *much* light--hence my comment that he move his corals down or use some netting in response to his tongue-in-cheek (I'm assuming) comment that he switch to PC's.

Summary: no one thought or wrote that rykwong didn't have plenty of light. the point is that people seem to think that blasting their corals with 400w MH's is the answer to good coloration.

I seldom meet anyone aware that they might not have good coloration because they are using too much light...which is the only reason I brought it up at all in the first place...

...that and the free bumps to the seller

 

[Yinger]

alright... i was going to stay out of the whole light argument, but I guess I might as well say something. Mope, you mentioned that 2x65 watt pc's over 20 gallon is plenty of light, are you assuming that because your using the old adage of the watts per gallon rule? With halides, that's typically not what you want to shoot for. The intensity and what a light can produce is par of ppfd according to sanjay's site. With my old XMs on my ice cap ballasts, my pffd was around 115 which is enough light for any sps at any level in my tank. With the reeflux, my par of pffd is 86 which is slightly less but still enough. Now with the samoensis, it is an extremely light hungry coral along with any other species of finger coral.

Now with regarding Rykwong's lighting. The iwasaki is by far the highest performing 175 15k bulb out there. With eballasts, the output of the light is 86-89 pffd which is the same as my 250s and even quite a bit more than some other 250 14ks and 20ks. Now granted it's not as strong as XMs 10ks, but then again, his is a 15k bulb and 86 pffd is extremely intense... especially for a 175. So your statement of 175s being not as intense is not true.

 

[mope54]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10057833#post10057833 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Yinger
alright... i was going to stay out of the whole light argument, but I guess I might as well say something. Mope, you mentioned that 2x65 watt pc's over 20 gallon is plenty of light, are you assuming that because your using the old adage of the watts per gallon rule? With halides, that's typically not what you want to shoot for. The intensity and what a light can produce is par of ppfd according to sanjay's site. With my old XMs on my ice cap ballasts, my pffd was around 115 which is enough light for any sps at any level in my tank. With the reeflux, my par of pffd is 86 which is slightly less but still enough. Now with the samoensis, it is an extremely light hungry coral along with any other species of finger coral.

Now with regarding Rykwong's lighting. The iwasaki is by far the highest performing 175 15k bulb out there. With eballasts, the output of the light is 86-89 pffd which is the same as my 250s and even quite a bit more than some other 250 14ks and 20ks. Now granted it's not as strong as XMs 10ks, but then again, his is a 15k bulb and 86 pffd is extremely intense... especially for a 175. So your statement of 175s being not as intense is not true.

I didn't realize we were having a light argument.
All I said was that my friend found out that when he reduced his light wattage, he got better coloration.

Since then, a number of people keep trying to convince me how intense rykwong's lights are compared to 250's! Which doesn't make sense to me since a) I never said they weren't b) I specifically referenced 400w MH and c) my whole point of being in this thread was to suggest that people often aim for the highest light output of their bulbs, when in fact they might have better results from using less light.

So where exactly is the argument?
I have no idea...
all I know is that when someone suggests trying less intense lighting, it seems like a non sequitor to argue that you have plenty of intensity

 

[Scissorhand]

when I turn my lights on and it comes on, i just get really giddy and happy.

 

[Yinger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10061476#post10061476 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mope54
Since then, a number of people keep trying to convince me how intense rykwong's lights are compared to 250's! Which doesn't make sense to me since a) I never said they weren't

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10057418#post10057418 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mope54
if your sig is right, you're not running very intense lighting anyway with SE 175's.

 

[Yinger]

price lowered to 40.