Fwc

[cschweitzer]

Any time you log on to a website, the administrators are allowed to view your IP. Even if you have it hidden, that is only hidden if someone accesses your computer instead of you accessing another site. There is always a route(routing techniques are varied, but very specific in possibilities) which leaves a record of the computer linked to a record of its MAC address. MAC address is the physicall address of the computer(12-digit hexidecimal number). This is always going to be logged back to your internet provider. In legal cases, the govenment(FWC in this case) can get the info on which account carried that IP address at that specific time(IP addresses for internet providers is in dynamic array, but can always be back-tracked). Really a very simple process if you have admin rights. RC will not hide this info, as it is a public forum about wildlife and wildlife conservation was asking them).

All of this checking could be done within minutes. This is also how, if you are kicked off of RC and try to create a new account, the RC staff still knows who you are. If an account is stopped and another account that just started logs on through that IP address, they know and they know quickly. I'm sure they have my home and business IP addresses logged. If I ever admitted to illegal acts, they could just as easily show up at my work as they could my house.

Point being? Don't post anything that you are not willing for everyone to know. That is why I sometimes hold my tongue...not about illegalities, just things that some people shouldn't know, even if most people should...any person anywhere, if necessary and with proper justification, can find out everything they want to about your last 10 years online...

Ways to curb this? Well, there are a few, but very technical and hard to do unless you know about IT and have a strong working knowledge. One easy way to help against this is to renew you dynamic IP address with your provider often...if you are on a hundred different IP adresses, it makes it more complicated(still not impossible) to track. IP spoofing is another option for anonymity, but I don't know enough about practical use of this to explain and can be used maliciously. There are, I'm sure, sites that can work as a tunnel into the internet without datalogging all your information. Pretty much like going through another IP routing system(altering the previous destination, but resending the information back through the correct channel to get back to you), but again, I don't know enough about it...

Maybe someone with experience in IT(I have the education, but not the practice) could elaborate.

 

[cschweitzer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9689935#post9689935 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrisstie
IP addresses are not hidden when you connect to another site. You may be able to try to mask them but they're really easy to track down and authorities can subpeona your information from RC or at least find out who your provider is via RC and contact your ISP for that information.

<-- computer engineering paid off for once?

Hehehe...you got done before I did, but said pretty much the same thing, just cleaner and more concise...thanks.

 

[Stoney Mahony]

That was well said Craig, but im not saying screw ORCA b/c this guy was an ORCA member. I am just saying that this ORCA board gets freakin ridiculous sometimes. I see people arguing over the most petty things on here now a days. People yelling at others for collecting fish, people posting apology threads b/c they went overboard, it's like im in high school all over. Now someone takes it to the next level and calls the authorities. You cant say that this was no ORCA member b/c no one really knows who it was. I have caught crap from other ORCA members over petty things(don't know if they are still members) and something like this wouldnt be the biggest shock to me, someone out there thinking that they are saving Floridas Oceans by snitching on a kid. Again, I have nothing against ORCA and most members I talk too seem super cool but that doesnt mean someone in the club didnt take this overboard.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9689801#post9689801 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cowboyswife
cschweitzer, that was really well said. Even if the person that turned him in was a member of ORCA, that one person shouldnt affect the opinion of the club as a whole.

Theoretically it shouldnt but it does b/c as a member he is a representitive of your club. Hey, Bush ruined it for the republicans! LOL:lol:
(Again, I know that we don't know if he was in the club or not )

 

[chrisstie]

Man you just brought back the class I had on networks and routers and stuff. Our tests were multiple choice, the education is easy, the experience not so much!

Man, I thought I had memory dumped that class. Did you ever have a professor by the name of Keonoke? haha

For normal people just going about their day to day business on the internet there really is no reason to use IP spoofing or crazy routing techniques. Again its something authorities can track down pretty fast, but I guess if you don't have a lot of IT experience you probably wouldn't know this.

Its pretty interesting to learn about. There was this kid who posted on Myspace somewhere around here near Orlando.. It was a picture of him on his front porch with a gun. I can't recall if it was a fake or real gun (maybe a BB gun?) but it looked real enough.

The kids mom got an eviction notice by the apartments they lived at because someone recognized the kid and the dwelling from myspace and reported it to authorities and the place decided they didn't want someone that looked so dangeous living there. I'm not sure what the outcome of it was but they were able to pull all of his info from myspace's logs to prove beyond a doubt it was the kid etc etc

The internet is a very very public place for the most part. It is forums like these, places like myspace or facebook, and any other public area where more and more people are starting to pay attention. That means even employers will now google your name if you're a potential employee or even a current one and see what comes up.

If you're looking to get hired and you've posted a bunch of stuff about getting drunk and high? Well, suddenly you don't look so employable compared to the person who has a very professional looking myspace and happy looking friends who donate their time to a charity every weekend.

A strange strange world we've come to live in.

 

[Stoney Mahony]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9690099#post9690099 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrisstie
Man you just brought back the class I had on networks and routers and stuff. Our tests were multiple choice, the education is easy, the experience not so much!

Man, I thought I had memory dumped that class. Did you ever have a professor by the name of Keonoke? haha

For normal people just going about their day to day business on the internet there really is no reason to use IP spoofing or crazy routing techniques. Again its something authorities can track down pretty fast, but I guess if you don't have a lot of IT experience you probably wouldn't know this.

Its pretty interesting to learn about. There was this kid who posted on Myspace somewhere around here near Orlando.. It was a picture of him on his front porch with a gun. I can't recall if it was a fake or real gun (maybe a BB gun?) but it looked real enough.

The kids mom got an eviction notice by the apartments they lived at because someone recognized the kid and the dwelling from myspace and reported it to authorities and the place decided they didn't want someone that looked so dangeous living there. I'm not sure what the outcome of it was but they were able to pull all of his info from myspace's logs to prove beyond a doubt it was the kid etc etc

The internet is a very very public place for the most part. It is forums like these, places like myspace or facebook, and any other public area where more and more people are starting to pay attention. That means even employers will now google your name if you're a potential employee or even a current one and see what comes up.

If you're looking to get hired and you've posted a bunch of stuff about getting drunk and high? Well, suddenly you don't look so employable compared to the person who has a very professional looking myspace and happy looking friends who donate their time to a charity every weekend.

A strange strange world we've come to live in.

That is sooooo true!! I think it's something like 60% of employers will google you and check myspace and facebook before hiring you.

 

[cschweitzer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9690070#post9690070 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Stoney Mahony
Theoretically it shouldnt but it does b/c as a member he is a representitive of your club. Hey, Bush ruined it for the republicans! LOL:lol:
(Again, I know that we don't know if he was in the club or not )

Hehehe...don't get me started on politics, because I don't think it was just Bush who ruined it for republicans...it was about 50% of them(not to start mentioning all the blunders and mishaps over the past few years) ruining it for the other half. But hey, we still voted Crist into office...I am neither democrat or republican...I am for what's best for everyone, including but not limited to myself.

 

[Don Lino]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9690305#post9690305 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cschweitzer
I am neither democrat or republican...I am for what's best for everyone, including but not limited to myself.

Amen to that Craig, why limit yourself to a label/party?? Maybe to feel like they apart of something?? BLAH....No POLITICS PLEASE.....

 

[TechniTony]

I am a newbie here and have not even made a meeting yet so I am not sure of the posts that this is all even referring to. I don't even care to get caught up in all of that but I did want to suggest another thought. Are you sure that someone "turned you in"? I am well aware of the monitoring abilities of various organizations from local police to government levels. I am not trying to open a conspiracy theory or any such but during the construction of a certain local theme park one of my official duties was to actually crawl message boards and find and dispell certain rumors for the parent company and we would actually guide some information to necessary authorities if it was in some way illegal. My point is that if I was able to find this thread without much searching is it not possible that this was discovered by the FWC themselves without an outside influence? I will monitor and post on various boards that are of interest to me and I don't feel its out of line that those in the FWC may also surf the net independently. I don't mean to belittle this in any way but I also know how quickly a horrible situation can turn worse if more trust is lost and I hope to someday join a happy organization . My meager $.02 Tony

 

[Stoney Mahony]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9690305#post9690305 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cschweitzer
Hehehe...don't get me started on politics, because I don't think it was just Bush who ruined it for republicans...it was about 50% of them(not to start mentioning all the blunders and mishaps over the past few years) ruining it for the other half. But hey, we still voted Crist into office...I am neither democrat or republican...I am for what's best for everyone, including but not limited to myself.

Amen to that. I couldnt agree more!( I just love pickin on bush supporters )

 

[cowboyswife]

Right on, Stoney Mahony! And that is the reason why I dont pay attention to politics, and Im not even registered to vote =X Im glad I keep my myspace private.

 

[jsl6v8]

As for the easiest way to not have an IP address linking you to something, internet cafe, use an internet store or cafe make a new account pay in cash, ect ect. And IP bouncing is easy enough there are a couple of places online that you could connect to that bounce your ip all over the place. My brother used to do it for a game he liked to play in japan because the company who owned it blocked all US IPs to try to keep it a Japanesse only type game. Point being if there is a will there is a way and criminals are ALWAYS one step ahead of the police if not 10.

Not that someone of my moral integrity would do something of this heinous nature.

 

[Brazengrrl]

I call Bull **** on it all. you go to any of the drug web sites like dancesafe, erowid or bluelight, theres lots of talk about illegal things going on, but i have yet to read a post of someone getting a visit from the authorites about something that they posted on the boards. Maybe its just that "druggies" have more respect for each other than 'reefers"do.

 

[chrisstie]

Some stings are based on websites like that. I can guarantee you there are FBI agents scouring the web looking for terror sites..

I think the point is that it just can't be proven who did it or why so theres no point in worrying about it.

And why do you know about druggie sites? ;p

 

[jsl6v8]

talk isn't illegal unless you talk about killing people or suicide. Pictures of the act proof ect ect... thats when you get in the no no zone. And besides nobody cares about pot its those precious half pound pieces of rock thats where the real money is

 

[Don Lino]

 

[jsl6v8]

you know it is pretty funny when the FWC cracks down faster and harder than the DEA, and we wonder why we have druggies on every corner and school shootings.

 

[Brazengrrl]

Ummmm........because my "friend" visits them..........=)
Honestly though, where is there a better source of an overabundance of information than the web? If people didnt talk about their experiences how could we learn except by doing it ourselves? Your right, it doesnt matter who did it, it was a good way to keep us in check about not trusting anyone IMO

hey Joey, where did you get that smiley from? i want one just like him!!
=)

 

[Stoney Mahony]

Yeah, the FBI has supenoed(I know I butchered that) alot of companies for there hydroponic sales records under the patriot act. They can do just about anything under the PA so watch what you say online. If you say any word they think could be related to terrorism, you go on a list....you know, just like Macarthy and communism. Just b/c your on the list doesnt mean that you will be confronted, just watched. Im a big Tool fan and on there website there is a drug thread where you can pretty much say whatever you want, tell about your experiences, get together with people, all of that and to my knowledge no one there has been confronted or arrested. It's just kinda funny b/c you have people talking about shooting heroin and nothing happens but Seth takes a 1 lb rock and bam!

 

[chrisstie]

I think when it comes to stuff like drug use.. you're doing it to yourself and not directly affecting others.

Whether you talk about hurting a person or the environment, it impacts more than just you and that may be where the prioritization comes in?

 

[jsl6v8]

wow ... never had any experience with a druggie chrisstie? Drug users impact everyone, haven't you seen those amazingly bad commercials on TV.

Oh man I would just love to see a Politician come on and say that protecting the environment is more important than the war on drugs.

Its just that with drugs its not about the user level its the distributor and producer level that the agencys are worried about and with the FWC they got nothing better to do. Its like a small town county cop in alabama.