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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9692468#post9692468 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cschweitzer
I think(hope) he was being sarchastic about how the commercials are all just so dang stupid...

either way, your above comments sound exactly like my friend, James' views and I feel are very true. It's not the drugs, it's the staggeringly high percentages of dumb@$$es that happen to be using them.

Last night, Dr. Greg House(yes, I'm that cornball to quote a television show) said he learned something about himself...he was addicted to painkillers. His friend started offering different ways to help and he said he wasn't going to stop...he further elaborated that he said he was addicted, he never said it was a problem...he still functions, pays his bills, goes to work, and does a better job than most people. You can still be a productive member of society and be using a government decided illegal drug...I mean, look at the percentage of Americans on drugs right now...antidepressants, muscle relaxers, pain medication(regardless of how much "pain" they are in), anti-anxieties(anyone who has known someone with a xanax addiction knows exactly what I'm talking about), amphetamines(like myself for ADD), etc. All these are legal with certain restrictions, but most of the people use these for the whole concept of being able to function in a society as a productive member of it.

If you want to get even more literal, caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol do more damage than all illegal drugs combined...but, again, I digress...I think most people see many things they would like to see changed, but we accept what is decided for us...isn't that the idea behind it all...it has been said that a good democracy is one where everyone is equally upset with the outcome:). In other words, you can't please everyone all of the time, but you sure can tick everyone off pretty easily.
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Ooooo Craig, you watch House too? Thats one of my favorite shows!
 
Of course...I love cynicism...kind of ironic, huh? It is one of the only reasons for there to even be a Tuesday in the week(although last night was Monday when they aired the new episode...wonder what's on tonight...probably American Idol).

I do have to give it to american idol...at least they tell you the show is a sin in the title:):):)
 
Oh don't reveal Hous ei havet seen last nihghts its dvrd. ill sexplaim the bad typimh in asec

hugh laurie writes a book called the gun seller. excellent book reminds me of his house char
 
BTW to get an ip address resolved to a street address, you need a court order, and the isp to still follow that order, which rarely happens.

There is no way this happened in one day, much less the monday following easter. Just my technical side talking.
 
Here is just my 2 cents and it may seem a little harsh....

"your tanks didn't cause the police to come posting on the forums did. "

That is insane. Somebody from this forum didn't go take the rock and put it in Seth's tank. The reason the FWC showed up is that Seth broke the law! Sure maybe somebody turned him in, and maybe they embellished the truth, but really at the end of the day, he deserves it. Reef Central and ORCA is all about preserving reef ecosystems and when somebody does something that is counter that belief, well it Seth's fault, not the "snitch".

I don't quite understand why everybody is taking the side of the person who broke the law and bashing the person who is trying to preserve the reefs! IT MAKES NO SENSE. Are there bigger fish to fry than a person who take 1lb of rock, of course there is! Should the FWC ignore a report of somebody taking rock illegally, with a CONFESSION online for everybody to see? NO THEY SHOULD NOT!

Has Seth learned a lesson? I am sure he has! Do I feel sorry for him? No, I do not! Come on people, he knew it was wrong and yet he did it anyway. I was once young and did dumb things, but I didn't expect people to blame the people who did the right thing when I got in trouble for it.

I know people are going to think I am the RAT now, but I assure you I am not. I am not a rat, it takes far to much energy and effort to do such a thing! What I AM is a person who hates to see when people blame those who are in the right for the problems of those who are in the wrong.

Again, just my 2 cents
 
well if RC gave up an IP you could traceroute it to an ISP and just call them. I imagine if you have any official credentials with the authorities that they'd cooperate
 
Didn't you guys know I'm a coke user?

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Christie, because of all the RIAA stuff going on, it requires a court order and has to be hand delivered :P I work part time on an online radio station and know all the legality issues thanks to our lawyer.

Brannon
 
Weird I didn't know the government and what not was so um involved nowadays.

I just used my basic tactics to find out once where an "anonymous" Livejournal comment came from back when I used the site. I tracked it down to my hometown and eventuallyr easoned out that it was an ex bf haha.

I guess nowadays they need to have a lot more official stuff involving how they track people down for records and legalities and stuff. That's cool that you do online radio- I hear its being threatened a lot thanks to the RIAA and stupid stupid crap because they want you guys to have to pay what actual real radios pay in fees and what not to operate (and liscensing and what not?) Forget all the jargon
 
Dan, I'm positive even after that post, nobody will think you were the "snitch".

I don't think anyone is really arguing that what ever shall happen to him isn't deserved. I think everyones opinion, even though I may be wrong, is that Seth did something wrong, admitted he did something wrong, and is facing consequences for doing something wrong, and should come out of this having learned something, albeit the hard way. Should everyone hate Seth now? I don't believe so, I think Seth has contributed a lot to the group, and although made a mistake, should not be hated forever because of it.

My problem with the situation is that yes what seth did was illegal and immoral. but at the same time deliberately lieing to the fwc, is illegal and immoral in my opinion. The statements that were made were WAY more than embellishing the truth. If someone simply called and said hey this guy took two pieces of rock, then that makes him concerned about the conservation of reefs. Now someone who calls and makes up the story they told fwc, is not concerned about the reefs, but is acting more on personal vengeance.

Makes me remember something called two wrongs don't make a right.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9693632#post9693632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chrisstie
Weird I didn't know the government and what not was so um involved nowadays.

I just used my basic tactics to find out once where an "anonymous" Livejournal comment came from back when I used the site. I tracked it down to my hometown and eventuallyr easoned out that it was an ex bf haha.

I guess nowadays they need to have a lot more official stuff involving how they track people down for records and legalities and stuff. That's cool that you do online radio- I hear its being threatened a lot thanks to the RIAA and stupid stupid crap because they want you guys to have to pay what actual real radios pay in fees and what not to operate (and liscensing and what not?) Forget all the jargon
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Believe it or not, the royalites you must pay for online radio, per user is actually worse than "normal radio". Normal radio stations pay a lot money, simply because the number of listeners is greater, but they only pay a fraction of what Internet Radio Stations must pay. The current issue is a rate increase, proposed, and passed by the RIAA (aka Sound Exchange). Kind of like the price of a music cd increasing, the consumer has no control over when prices are increased. This increase primarily affects smaller radio stations that have little or no money from marketing. The reason is because the new law switches from a dynamic rate, depending on number of listeners, revenue from the station, and other statistics, to a fixed rate per song. So what they did was jacked up the cost 2000%, but say that they don't care how many people you have listening. Kind of frustrating.
 
An IP can not only be traced without a court order in a day, it can be done in seconds. Here is a free site that will give you general area, and if you want to pay, it can give you names and addresses too. All the fwc had to do was see seth online and ping him for his IP, then do the IP search and drive right over. I used to be a +member at MSN gaming zone, and you would be amazed at how much info you can get if you have the software to get it. You can bet the fwc has those resources at thier disposal.
http://www.ip-adress.com/
The only thing they would need a court order for, would be PM records, or emails, which they don't need since there is a confession on a public forum.
I think the imbelishment part is fishy at best, since the fwc could clearly read the forum and see that it was only a small amount of rock and not a huge smuggling ring lol. If they overlook the small stuff, they might as well overlook the big stuff too. It doesn't take long of each person taking one small rock before you have a huge problem. Loss of habitat, shore erosion, and before long lifeless beaches and inlets. I don't fault the snitch, as some people are really passionate about conserving our enviroment, and feel a duty to do something about it when they see something wrong. I am not that person by any means, but while i don't care much for a snitch, you can't fault someone for stepping up and saying something unless it was just done to be maliscious and not because they were doing it to stop a wrong doing. Seth was wrong for what he did regardless of how small it was, it was wrong and he admitted that he knew it was wrong when he took the rock. He has apologized, and probably truely is sorry for it, but being sorry does not excuse the wrong. I personally feel that a little community service working with cleaning up in the area where the rock was taken, and some education by the people that work to protect that area every day would be nothing but good for him. If sorry fixed everything, we wouldn't need prisons. I don't mean to be harsh towards seth at all, as he seems like a real good kid by todays standards. I only wish the rocks my son was getting caught with at 16 were for his aquarium.
 
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I'm deleting my post as I think this thread has run it's course.
 
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Well, let see......ok, (im trying to remembner all i have to write )... WHatever was told to the FWC was told to them throuhg the lead given by whoever, they said that what i wrote on RC and what was told to them by the person made them think something was going on in my house...

People are not "backing me up" in any way, they know i was wrong, "I" know i was wrong, and the guy who turned me in was right to do so, but what he told them was the disconcerting part of it all. I still would have been contacted by the FWC if he told the truth, but that would be all, i would have gotten a warning, but since they came to the house, they had to file it and report it and i may be in trouble now, alot mroe than i would have if the truth were told in the first place.

NO ONE SHOULD BACK ME UP IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!!!!!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9693080#post9693080 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dwarfpufferfish
Here is just my 2 cents and it may seem a little harsh....

"your tanks didn't cause the police to come posting on the forums did. "

That is insane. Somebody from this forum didn't go take the rock and put it in Seth's tank. The reason the FWC showed up is that Seth broke the law! Sure maybe somebody turned him in, and maybe they embellished the truth, but really at the end of the day, he deserves it. Reef Central and ORCA is all about preserving reef ecosystems and when somebody does something that is counter that belief, well it Seth's fault, not the "snitch".

I don't quite understand why everybody is taking the side of the person who broke the law and bashing the person who is trying to preserve the reefs! IT MAKES NO SENSE. Are there bigger fish to fry than a person who take 1lb of rock, of course there is! Should the FWC ignore a report of somebody taking rock illegally, with a CONFESSION online for everybody to see? NO THEY SHOULD NOT!

Has Seth learned a lesson? I am sure he has! Do I feel sorry for him? No, I do not! Come on people, he knew it was wrong and yet he did it anyway. I was once young and did dumb things, but I didn't expect people to blame the people who did the right thing when I got in trouble for it.

I know people are going to think I am the RAT now, but I assure you I am not. I am not a rat, it takes far to much energy and effort to do such a thing! What I AM is a person who hates to see when people blame those who are in the right for the problems of those who are in the wrong.

Again, just my 2 cents
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Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with just about everything here. First off with the logic, the posting on the forums is exactly what got him in trouble if he hadn't said anything about his lovely little rock the rock would have never been news and the snitch would never have known and never have cried to the FWC so yes the posting is what got him here in the first place. As for should the authorities had some something about a half pound of rock no, its a complete waste of their time seth's and his families time, and more importantly tax payer dollars and I oh so hate it when people squander my money I won't stand for it :rollface:. Also I do believe seth said he didn't realize it was illegal to take the rock and given that I don't believe innocent seth is the kind of person to do intentionally do something that is illegal or knowingly harmful. Protecting the reefs is one thing, go buy some air space or protest at your local nuclear plant spilling waste into the water but a kid taking a piece of rock which I can damn near gaurentee you wasn't locating within 100 miles of a reef and probably not even completely submersed in water, give me a break.
Just my 10 cents, I expect a check in the mail for my 8 cents change.
 
oh and chrisstie I was just messing around with the drug thing I tend to be just the wee littlest bit sarcastic, if you couldn't tell from my above post, it runs in my family and unfortunately isn't easily convied via internet. Drugs are bad M'kay.
 
Well, the stupid thing was, that at the time i took the rock, i was thinking morea bout the calerpa and baby snails on it rather than the legalities behind it. Half way home was when it really hit me, and by that time it was too late to take it back. Then the second stupid thign was posting abotu it, IDK what i was thinking, and i still dont, but everyone involved in this thing (FWC, parents, me) think this is still a big waste of time and money. This whole story is about misunderstandings and i hope it all blows over and withouht too much on my family.
 
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