GARLIC POLL: Your opinions needed!!
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musty baby
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It doesn't seem to hurt anything, and since I started soaking in pressed garlic (when I picked up a stressed achilles from a fellow reefer who was moving and had held it in a naked 20 gallon for a few days) I noticed that all of my fish ate every food I threw at them, including my clowns nipping at garlic-soaked nori. I don't care if it defends against ich or not, which the tang very quickly fended off with or without garlic's help. I'm going to keep feeding it regardless.
Serioussnaps
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helpful in some ways.....fouls water
wooden_reefer
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I believe that while poor nutrition may rob the fish of best defense against ich, the best nutrition and defense against ich is useless in an aquarium.
For the most part, ich is basically a disease of confinement, I mean the five planes of glass or acrylic. This confinement alters the natural dilution effect of the ocean that makes ich a mere brief hitchikers, making a killer out of it. It is unreasonable to expect that a particular fish or species of fish can develop any additional immunity against ich nutritionally or otherwise.
For the most part, ich is basically a disease of confinement, I mean the five planes of glass or acrylic. This confinement alters the natural dilution effect of the ocean that makes ich a mere brief hitchikers, making a killer out of it. It is unreasonable to expect that a particular fish or species of fish can develop any additional immunity against ich nutritionally or otherwise.
musty baby
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You lost me. Could you reword this? Sounds like you're saying that proper nutrition is the best defense, which I would agree with, and that even proper nutrition is not effective in controlling ich in our tanks, which I do not agree with.
wooden_reefer
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That is right, proper nutrition is useless against ich.
Ich is a disease caused by confinement that alters the dilution effect of the ocean. The dilution effect makes ich a mere brief parasite that leaves on its own as a part of its lifecycle. Only absent this dilution effect is ich a killer.
Actually, the impact of confinement is evident in many other diseases, but the case of ich is the most extreme.
The role of nutrition should be emphasised, but not over emphasised.
michaeljames
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I use it as a "preventative" been using over a year and have no ich yet...
coastalaqu
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I think garlic enhances the appetite but i dont believe it cures or prvents ich. Ive fed garlic soaked foods for years. I had a pbt that had ich on and off for a year. It ate garlic food 2 days before he gave up the fight. It was kind of a bummer.
rickkott13
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i use them to boost up the smell/taste to get my fish eating like crazy. thats the main thing i use garlic anything else is a myth.
barbra
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In several years I have 2 outbreaks of ich in my tank. Both times garlic has cured it. I am NOT saying that it stimulated appetite which then led to recovery, I am saying that the ich was cured by garlic, and my fish weren't balking at food anyway.
Garlic has been known for years to be a mild antibiotic, so why do people have such a hard time accepting it's efficacy?
Garlic has been known for years to be a mild antibiotic, so why do people have such a hard time accepting it's efficacy?
FunkieReefJunkie
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http://www.allicin.com/#OtherCompounds
Here's what i've noticed. When I fed it to a new fish just showing signs of parasites I was able to stifle the problem without going chemical till I could get my hands on the right meds. When I put the garlic itself chopped up fine into my display (an experiment) the sps extended their polyps big time. When placing in my sps quarantine tank trying to treat what I thought were AEN on newly acquired frags it took such high levels of garlic to effect the nudi I nuked the QT. As in tank clouded, frags burned up and my fish room smelled like a cheesey Chinese restaurant. No ill effects on the peppermint shrimp, snails or pods at all. I think garlic carries a powerful punch, but when and how to use it for what scenarios is difficult to say. Some of these meds used on fish are known carcinogens. If they can be avoided by useing garlic then I can't see any harm done.
Here's what i've noticed. When I fed it to a new fish just showing signs of parasites I was able to stifle the problem without going chemical till I could get my hands on the right meds. When I put the garlic itself chopped up fine into my display (an experiment) the sps extended their polyps big time. When placing in my sps quarantine tank trying to treat what I thought were AEN on newly acquired frags it took such high levels of garlic to effect the nudi I nuked the QT. As in tank clouded, frags burned up and my fish room smelled like a cheesey Chinese restaurant. No ill effects on the peppermint shrimp, snails or pods at all. I think garlic carries a powerful punch, but when and how to use it for what scenarios is difficult to say. Some of these meds used on fish are known carcinogens. If they can be avoided by useing garlic then I can't see any harm done.
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ryan_paskadi
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Garlic is saposed to be good for you immune system according to the guy at GNC. Maybe it has the same positive immune effects in fish.
jnarowe
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I have taken a lot of heat for my use of garlic, but so be it. For whatever reason, it seems to help. I believe it is entirely due to the scent. When I add it to my fish food, I believe the fish are more aware and attracted to the food. I make all my own food BTW, and do not use any dry food such as flakes or pellets.
What I have found is that good nutrition can bolster fish' immune systems and help them fight off disease. I had an Ich outbreak early in my reef's life, and my PBT looked like he was a gonner. I tried to trap him out but he refused to go into the trap. In the meantime, I fed 3x per day only frozen food I made from fresh ingredients and infused with Garlic. Sounds stupid I know, but that PBT has never been sicjk since and is a beautiful fish. I owe high quality food and garlic for that.
Maybe it's the anti-oxidants, maybe just the attractant, but for me, it has worked well.
What I have found is that good nutrition can bolster fish' immune systems and help them fight off disease. I had an Ich outbreak early in my reef's life, and my PBT looked like he was a gonner. I tried to trap him out but he refused to go into the trap. In the meantime, I fed 3x per day only frozen food I made from fresh ingredients and infused with Garlic. Sounds stupid I know, but that PBT has never been sicjk since and is a beautiful fish. I owe high quality food and garlic for that.
Maybe it's the anti-oxidants, maybe just the attractant, but for me, it has worked well.
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SPACEMANS2
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From my own experience when I get a sick fish i soaked fresh finely cut cloves of garlic in water for a few hours, then I strain it and then pour the water directly in my tank. I don't even mix it with food. After a day or two whatever ailment my fish had is gone. I'm sure this method may not work with every disese but it hasn't failed me yet. people han say what they want about the herbal garlic treatment but I know it works.
SPACEMANS2
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Potent, Even Against Drug-Resistant Strains of Bacteria
Results of two studies suggest that garlic is a potent antibiotic, even against strains that have become resistant to many drugs. One study conducted at the University of California Irvine Medical Center and published in the December 2003 issue of Nutrition showed that garlic juice, even when diluted up to 1:128 of the original juice, demonstrates significant antibacterial activity against a spectrum of pathogens including antibiotic-resistant strains such as methicillin- and ciprofloxacin-resistant staphylococci, vancomycin-resistant enterococci, and ciprofloxacin-resistant Pseudomonas aeruginosa. A second study found that garlic was able to inhibit methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MSRA) from human patients that was injected into laboratory animals.(MSRA is one of the antibiotic resistant bacteria whose incidence has risen dramatically in recent years in hospitals.)
http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=60
Results of two studies suggest that garlic is a potent antibiotic, even against strains that have become resistant to many drugs. One study conducted at the University of California Irvine Medical Center and published in the December 2003 issue of Nutrition showed that garlic juice, even when diluted up to 1:128 of the original juice, demonstrates significant antibacterial activity against a spectrum of pathogens including antibiotic-resistant strains such as methicillin- and ciprofloxacin-resistant staphylococci, vancomycin-resistant enterococci, and ciprofloxacin-resistant Pseudomonas aeruginosa. A second study found that garlic was able to inhibit methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MSRA) from human patients that was injected into laboratory animals.(MSRA is one of the antibiotic resistant bacteria whose incidence has risen dramatically in recent years in hospitals.)
http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=60
jman77
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Garlic works... it works in human and animals..been proven in both.
The problem with garlic though is that the cloves have to be freshly broken and the liquid administered since the chemicals that cause garlic to have these marvelous fighting ability loose their potency soon after the clove has been crushed. This is proven people, Garlic has been used to fight off numerous ailments for thousands of years... everything from infections to parasites. There was a study published around 16 years ago that proved fish fed food that had garlic in it had less infections and parasites than the fish that were fed food lacking it.
Now the Garlic liquid in bottles that you buy in the store are junk, it has to be fresh to work in this application; which will not be possible with prepacked liquid.
People that say it doesn't work are just not well informed , or do not know how to correctly administer it.
From Wiki,
"Garlic has been used as both food and medicine in many cultures for thousands of years, dating as far back as the time that the Egyptian pyramids were built. Garlic is claimed to help prevent heart disease including atherosclerosis, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and cancer.[9]
Animal studies, and some early investigational studies in humans, have suggested possible cardiovascular benefits of garlic"
"In 2007 a BBC news story reported that Allium sativum may have beneficial properties, such as preventing and fighting the common cold.[16] This assertion has the backing of long tradition. Traditional British herbalism used garlic for hoarseness and coughs, both as a syrup and in a salve made of garlic and lard, which was rubbed on the chest and back.[17] The Cherokee also used it as an expectorant for coughs and croup."
"When crushed, Allium sativum yields allicin, a powerful antibiotic and anti-fungal compound (phytoncide). However due to poor bioavailability it is of limited use for oral consumption. It also contains alliin, ajoene, enzymes, vitamin B, minerals, and flavonoids."
"Garlic has been reasonably successfully used in AIDS patients to treat cryptosporidium in an uncontrolled study in China.[26] It has also been used by at least one AIDS patient to treat toxoplasmosis another protozoal disease.[27]"
"In modern naturopathy, garlic is used as a treatment for intestinal worms and other intestinal parasites, both orally and as an anal suppository. Garlic cloves are used as a remedy for infections (especially chest problems), digestive disorders, and fungal infections such as thrush."
Nuff said -- jman77
The problem with garlic though is that the cloves have to be freshly broken and the liquid administered since the chemicals that cause garlic to have these marvelous fighting ability loose their potency soon after the clove has been crushed. This is proven people, Garlic has been used to fight off numerous ailments for thousands of years... everything from infections to parasites. There was a study published around 16 years ago that proved fish fed food that had garlic in it had less infections and parasites than the fish that were fed food lacking it.
Now the Garlic liquid in bottles that you buy in the store are junk, it has to be fresh to work in this application; which will not be possible with prepacked liquid.
People that say it doesn't work are just not well informed , or do not know how to correctly administer it.
From Wiki,
"Garlic has been used as both food and medicine in many cultures for thousands of years, dating as far back as the time that the Egyptian pyramids were built. Garlic is claimed to help prevent heart disease including atherosclerosis, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and cancer.[9]
Animal studies, and some early investigational studies in humans, have suggested possible cardiovascular benefits of garlic"
"In 2007 a BBC news story reported that Allium sativum may have beneficial properties, such as preventing and fighting the common cold.[16] This assertion has the backing of long tradition. Traditional British herbalism used garlic for hoarseness and coughs, both as a syrup and in a salve made of garlic and lard, which was rubbed on the chest and back.[17] The Cherokee also used it as an expectorant for coughs and croup."
"When crushed, Allium sativum yields allicin, a powerful antibiotic and anti-fungal compound (phytoncide). However due to poor bioavailability it is of limited use for oral consumption. It also contains alliin, ajoene, enzymes, vitamin B, minerals, and flavonoids."
"Garlic has been reasonably successfully used in AIDS patients to treat cryptosporidium in an uncontrolled study in China.[26] It has also been used by at least one AIDS patient to treat toxoplasmosis another protozoal disease.[27]"
"In modern naturopathy, garlic is used as a treatment for intestinal worms and other intestinal parasites, both orally and as an anal suppository. Garlic cloves are used as a remedy for infections (especially chest problems), digestive disorders, and fungal infections such as thrush."
Nuff said -- jman77
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