GBD on Tail of Second Sea Horse

jjryan6

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We have an 85 gallon tank, 18X36X30. We have a protein skimmer in our refugium sump. We have 16 sea horses in the tank for over a year and a half. They are fed twice a day various forms of Mysis with Vita Chem treatment added.We do two 25 gallon water changes a week. Our parameters are:

pH 8.2
Nitrites 0
Ammonia 0
Nitrates 40
Temp 74 degrees

Within the last week we have lost one sea horse to GBD and a second horse has just developed bubbles on its tail.

We have two questions 1. Possible cause? We did have a temp spike a few weeks ago from a heater gone astray.
2. Treatments. We have seen Rayjay's diamox treatment info and are trying to locate some for use in a hospital tank. On the hospital tank, do we need a cycled tank to be ready to complete the treatment or can we go with fresh saltwater and start the cycle process during the treatment?

We are not rookies. We allowed the tank to settle for around six months with other livestock before we introduced the first seahorse. The seahorses were introduced at most two at a time. They are tank raised locally.

Thanks for any help.
 
The temperature spike was not the cause of the bubbles.
The most likely cause would be water quality.
As you have an overloaded tank, it would be just a matter of time before problems occur as water quality degrades over time due to over stocking and/or poor husbandry. I wouldn't want more than 10 in your tank unless you have overkill filtration and husbandry.
The bubbles are caused by chemical imbalances within the seahorses, usually due to the water quality as I mentioned.
Unfortunately, there are no test kits that can tell you when this water quality has deteriorated enough to cause this problem, and, it can cause bacterial problems also.
Experience over the years of many hobbyists and public aquariums have pointed to this as the likely cause.
FWIW, I don't use heaters in my seahorse tanks and they run around 68°F.
The Diamox you need to get a prescription from a vet for it.
It would be dosed in a hospital tank, bare bottom with only artificial hitching, excellent air flow from open ended air lines, and water quality would be maintained by 50% daily water changes.
Most of us like to use 10g tanks.
 
Hi jjryan,

I am sorry ry to hear about your seahorse troubles. I have found that sometimes just doing a 50 percent water change can cause the gas bubbles to disappear in three or four days. In fact, I would recommend that instead of making 25% water changes 2 times per week, you do one 50% water change once a week as this will dilute any pathogens that could be causing or contributing to the problem. And slowly dropping your main tank temp down to 70 or 71 F might also help.

What size tank is your skimmer rated for? With the heavy organic load produced from feeding so many seahorses, you want to make sure your skimmer is really pulling out as much as possible from your water. I would suggest that you want to use a skimmer that is designed for at least a 200 gallon tank (more than twice the size of your tank) since you have a heavy bio-load.

As rayjay mentioned, you do have a lot of seahorses for that size tank, so it really is in your best interest to set up a second tank to handle some of those ponies. But obviously it is going to take many weeks to properly cycle and prepare another seahorse tank. So, in the meantime are you using UV (or possibly ozone) to help keep up your water quality? If not, this might be a good investment for your tank. You could use UV continuously for three or four weeks and then reduce it to a few hours per day once your seahorses are no longer experiencing problems. But again, be sure to get a UV unit that is properly sized for your tank and that has a new UV bulb. (They only last about 6 months)

Finally, if you do a 50% water change and your seahorse is not doing better after three days or , you will want to use a diamox treatment (which requires a prescription in the US). When treating with diamox, your seahorse will almost certainly lose its appetite. Some people suggest leaving the seahorse in the diamox bath for several days until all symptoms of gas bubble have disappeared. But I have found that this treatment can cause them to starve to death. After three or four days of diamox treatment, if your seahorse has not eaten, I would stop the treatment. Usually, by that point the gas bubbles will be on their way down and should continue to dissipate after treatment (as long as your tank water is in good shape).

Best wishes to you and your seahorses,
Tom
 
The actual cause of Gas Bubbles is poorly understood. Sadly there isn't enough research into this on seahorses. My understanding from seahorses that have been necropsied is that it is most commonly bacterial in nature. Experience in dealing with this, is once you have these issues in a tank, it most commonly keeps rearing it's ugly head from time to time. When you have high stocking densities, you may resolve it in one only to find it appear in another. Antibiotic and Diamox therapy seems to temporarily resolve it but don't be surprised to see it again.

Water quality as mentioned seems to be the underlying cause. Specifically, organic loading of the system. High amounts of dissolved and nondissolved organics ultimately lead to issues. When we help folks with Gas Bubble Disease (GBD) or Pouch Emphysema (PE), we focus on reducing organic loading of the system. This usually resolves re-occurring PE and some cases of GBD. For GBD it really depends upon the actual bacteria involved and the immune system of the animals.

For short term treatment to reduce the bubbles, Diamox is very effective. Treatment should be in a hospital tank with Diamox at 250 mg per 10 gal. Each day do at least a 50% water change and redose at 250 mg per 10 gal. Treatment usually takes 3 to 5 days to reduce the bubbles. Diamox works by reducing the bubbles but does not treat the underlying cause. Many will do a concurrent treatment with antibiotics. Diamox can be mixed with antibiotics without issue. As stated above, sometimes you can move the animals to clean water and the bubble will resolve themselves when the seahorses immune system kicks in.

As mentioned, 16 seahorses in a 85 gal tank is a very high bio-load. My personal preference for a display tank is roughly 25 to 30 gallons per pair. This high of a load is usually only successful long term (18 mos or longer) in production systems which have a beefed up filtration and husbandry scheme.

If I were dealing with this, here is how I would approach it:

1. I would review the feeding regime. Rinsing the frozen foods well with tap water will help remove any excess nutrients. I would not try to enrich the frozen foods as most of it will come off in the water and lend to the organic loading. I would also make sure the tank is not over fed and if it was siphon out any excess.

2. I would review the filtration scheme. Flow in the tank should be at least 10 turns per hour. I would run more if I could break up the flow so the seahorses are not blown around. High flow will help keep the organics in suspension so the filtration can remove them. I would also look at the filters. This high of a load you want really good tight filtration. A 50 micron filter sock will help catch a lot of the larger particulate matter and will likely need to be changed often. I also like cartridge filters for high density systems and usually go to small micron filters. A high performance protein skimmer would be a must.

3. I would also take a look at the substrate. With a high stocking density most production tanks are bare bottom for a reason. It is easier to remove the waste on the bottom. Daily siphoning removes uneaten food and excrements. I would at least have a fine sand bed. If it was anything coarse, I would remove it and go with a fine sand bed or bare bottom.

4. I would also consider running either ozone or an Oxydator to help eat up excess organics. For this size of a tank and the stocking, 2 Oxydator A's or 1 Oxydator A with double strength peroxide would work.

5. If probiotics are not being used, I would definitely consider them. Certain strains are very good at eating up organics and compete against bad bacterial strains.

6. I would scrub all surfaces in the tank and sump that can be scrubbed to remove as much of the biofilms as possible. I would also clean the piping with a pipe brush. After doing this, I would add 2 to 3 teaspoons of regular peroxide (1 to 1.5 mg/L) to the tank. The peroxide will help eat up the organic material. Depending upon the microbial life in the system, the tank may temporarily become cloudy. This usually clears in a few days. I would probably consider adding the peroxide daily for 1 to 2 weeks. Usually the water becomes noticeably clearer.

7. I would keep the system as cool as possible or down to 69 degrees. Cooler temperatures usually slow down bacterial growth. This gives the seahorses immune system a better chance at fighting what ever is going on internally.

8. I would consider boosting the seahorses immune systems with Allicin, Vitamin C, Beta Glucan and Probiotics. This is usually best done by adding this to a good high quality enrichment and gut loading adult artemia (brine shrimp). Allicin is the component in garlic that is so good at fighting bacteria, fungus, viruses and parasitic issues. In humans it has been proven to even work on Mycobacteria. You will need a stabilized version, not just garlic extract. Any product with Allisure AC-23 will work. Vitamin C is best with Stay-C or Ascorbyl Palmitate which artemia readily convert to free Ascorbic Acid. The Probiotics I would go with a product that has been proven in aquaculture such as Inve's Sanolife.

I know this sounds like a lot, but I have used this strategy successfully many times. With high density systems like you have, they are rarely successful long term unless you aggressively attack the organic loading issue and keep the immune system of the animals up.

Lastly, there is the simple solution. Go to a light stocking density system, 4 to 6 seahorses, in which the normal filtration and husbandry works.

Dan
 
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