Genicanthus males - your experiences?

For comparison, the female...

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i eventually wanted to pick up a male for my female melanospilos but after reading this thread i will prob reconsider it. thanks for the info guys
 
i eventually wanted to pick up a male for my female melanospilos but after reading this thread i will prob reconsider it. thanks for the info guys

Not only the color issue, but adding a male to an established female may not go so well, either.
 
Update: Since moving to a 150g tank, the male has increased the amount of stripes on his body. Still nothing on the forehead though. I'll try to get some pics...
 
Updated pics: As I mentioned, he GAINED stripes after the move to a 150g, but not to the original pattern....

Sorry for the picture quality...I'm working with a new camera. I also managed to snap a pic of him displaying to the female!

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Bought a male and female Watanabei together from LFS. Tank is 4 x 2.5 x 2.5' and the other inhabitants were a small ocelaris clown and a chevron tang. The male chased the female like crazy at first, but this tapered off. After 2 or 3 years (can't remember), they would chase once a month or so, when I happened to be looking of course, and then the male suddenly was gone. Looked for jumped carcass, but there was none. He must have suddenly died somehow. In any case, the cleaner shrimp would have chowed him before I saw anything.

I guess my point is that they can stay male for several years in a 150. He was healthy looking. However, I have way fewer fish than most people have in a 150. I still have the female and the other fish. That was two years ago or so.

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Did your male watanabei show any change in color/pattern in the time that you had him?
 
No, not at all. Stayed 'vibrantly' male the whole time. Oh an I should mention that they would spawn a lot. A white 'cloud' would bring my attention to the tank, and the two fish would be sort of fluttering near each other. Pretty cool. I remember when I saw it the first time - immediately looked up online to see if I might be making baby watanabeis - learned I wouldn't be of course!
 
I hope the forehead pattern stays as it is... he's my poor man's takeuchii :D

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At the cleaning station tonight:
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The streamers are just ridiculous lately... how they don't get sucked into the vortechs is beyond me.
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And a nice shot of that neat forehead pattern:
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And of course, let's show some love for his girl :D
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I hope to have this thread go for as long as I have these fish....many, many years! :)
 
I've had mixed experience, mostly with watanabes. In my previous tank I kept a pair for about 3~4 years. They both always stayed the same sex. That was a 75g mixed reef, lightly stocked. In my current tank I have a single male who has almost fully reverted back to female coloration. This is in a 360g moderately stocked mixed reef. I have to check my records but I might have had the fish 4-5 months and that is how long it has taken to revert. I have photos, but they're on my other computer so I can't post them at the moment.

I'm hoping to find and add a couple of females soon, maybe he'll get excited and color up again.

BTW Peter, your male melanospilos has got some great color, one of the best I have ever seen.
 
Excellent read. after absorbing all this info what seem most likely is like mentioned earlier, they turn pseudo-female when there is not "competition" e.g. no need to show there "lions mane" im tempted to try and get a male bellus or watanabe and keeping it in a clear container to "provoke" my male into showing its colors.....or i may try just a mirror and or pictures of other males....thanks for restoring my faith Peter lol. i may also add another female. not sure yet tho. ill keep u guys posted :D

P.S.
BTW that Male is a super male Peter!! very jealous!
 
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