Genicanthus males - your experiences?

My watanabeis pair is more "pair"er than ever. The males seems to ahve become more male over time. The females chronioc pesters him for spawning, and then he gets mad and chases her around. Real white,... well I guess blue trash.

Bear in mind this- flashy males are at a very distinct disadvantage, in a functional ecological sense. Brighter, fdlashier fish are more obvious to predatiors. The main benefit to this is sexual selection from mates. MAny species will adjust their appearance to help counteract this. For example, a huge number of birds will have breeding plumage, and non-breeding, or eclipse, plumage. Is it possible these males are really NOT reverting to females, but just dulling down the colors, as breeding isnt prevalent, and they see no reason to draw attention to themselves (not willful decisions, obviously). In my scenario, there are certain cues which would cause the reversal back to male. Prehaps a "better" chance of breeding (more females, more room, certain foods, who knows???), or more sexual competiton (another male). Just spitballing.


I was thinking essentially the same thing. It could just be a chromatic change and not really male/female transformation. Do those who have males that stayed observe frequent spawning behavior? Or frquent behavior after a change has occured?
 
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I was thinking essentially the same thing. It could just be a chromatic change and not really male/female transformation.

True, but I'm not sure if it's the same in all instances. I'd be curious to know if my male with a "faded" pattern is the same as a male completely reverting to female colors.
 
heres a before and after.

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I am starting to get a bit nervous. My male geni stopped eating about a week ago. Not a mark on him, super fat, breathing normally. Spending the majority of his time in the back of the tank, but will come out and swim around normally once in a while. No one is bothering him in any way. I'm not sure what to do... since he's not eating, I ca't trap him to move him to a QT of any kind. Thoughts?
 
I had a square Anthias that had been with me 3 years do this. She just stopped eating but died fat. When I removed her she almost looked bloated. I thought maybe some kind of kidney failure or blockage. I hope yours comes around for you, he's one of my favorites to see pics of. Good luck man.
 
You know, this happened after I broke out some rather old frozen cyclopeeze and ova. Could I have given the poor guy some sort of food poisoning? The other fish are fine though...
 
A couple major developments today:

Bad news: He's got some weird white "things" popping out along his lateral line on one side of his body. I have NEVER seen anything like it.

Good news: He actually swam out for food, and ate a couple PE mysis. I've been soaking the PE mysis with metro (for a dfferent reason - other tank), so double good news, he may be getting a bit of medication in his body too.
 
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Would you mind elaborating...length of time, size tank, etc. Thanks :)

Bellus pair is in a 240 (8 foot) gallon tank. Mating behavior is at least 3 times per week, always during "sunset". I have had them for about 5 years.

Watanabe experience was strange. Female introduced with a male who did not make it (I guess males don't do well in shipping?). Female stayed as is for about 8-10 months. I introduced another male, trying to replicate pairing as with the Bellus. The female turned male (about 2 weeks), killed the new male, then transitioned back to being female (about a month). This was in a 350 gallon tank. I cannot say I understand why but this is the story for me.
 
Bellus pair is in a 240 (8 foot) gallon tank. Mating behavior is at least 3 times per week, always during "sunset". I have had them for about 5 years.

You can understand my concern and sadness at the possible outcomes... I watched that behavior, mostly from the male, at least that often, for the past few years, catching them once even spawning. I've had them 4.5 years.
 
You can understand my concern and sadness at the possible outcomes... I watched that behavior, mostly from the male, at least that often, for the past few years, catching them once even spawning. I've had them 4.5 years.

Absolutely. I too get attached, and the fish even recognize me. We can only do the best we can for them.
 
I am starting to get a bit nervous. My male geni stopped eating about a week ago. Not a mark on him, super fat, breathing normally. Spending the majority of his time in the back of the tank, but will come out and swim around normally once in a while. No one is bothering him in any way. I'm not sure what to do... since he's not eating, I ca't trap him to move him to a QT of any kind. Thoughts?

Peter, Say it ain't so! Not Big Blue! I hope he pulls through for you.
 
Thanks buddy... I know you'd be just as crushed if something happened to him as I would!
 
We have had our male and female Bellus angels for 15 months.

Here are a couple of pics of the male:
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<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/terryl93/5796301650/" title="nt 1110 by terryl93, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/5796301650_78bb803e85_z.jpg" width="640" height="425" alt="nt 1110"></a>
He is by far the largest angel in the tank and lives to chase the female Bellus and our timid Regal angel.

And here's our plump little female:
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The Bellus angels have been displaying courting behavior at dusk for several months now.
 
As I posted in another thread, unfortunately he died several weeks after he stopped eating. :(
 
Since we have all the Genio heads in one place...


What does everyone think of mixing species? A male melanospilos, with a female Bellus, for instance?

I have a pair of melanospilos in my 180 for about a year, so far male is still a male with male coloring.

I added a Genicanthus semifasciatus female about a month or 2 back. The male didn't mind a bit, but my female melanospilos did! She chased the new female all over. The new female had the sense to hide in the rock work and finally it worked out with the new female being accepted, but it was hairy there for a bit with me thinking I was going to lose the semifaciatus. I'd worry about mixing species esp. if one has established themselves.
 
I'd worry about mixing species esp. if one has established themselves.
I've kept multiple species together, presently have 3 F swallowtails and 2 Bellus, also had those with a pair of Lamarcks...the problem seems to be, that the biggest/most dominate Male, will cause the other males to revert back to females...(that's why I now have 3 F swallowtails)

Here is a pic of my 'sex-changing' Bellus...has gone from F>M>F and now back to M...
notice the 'irregular'/circular pattern of stripes, which happened the last time 'he' reverted to 'she'!
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This last change is happening, because I removed the super-dominate 6" Lamarck Male, and added a small Bellus Female, 2 weeks ago.
 
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