Xandernfs
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We haven't pulled the trigger as of yet, but we may get one on Friday. We may look at this deal WITH the extra lens: http://www.wolfcamera.com/product/SLR1191.htm?bct=t13104503
GF concerned about only 6mp on D40
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Will this be a local store or will you ordering on-line? If the later, you might want to check out this site . Some people are reporting serious troubles with dealing with the company. YMWV.
B&H (a very highly respected company) is selling the same combination for less: $543 after instant rebate. They also offer free shipping and include a camera bag. They also sell the kit with the 55-200 VR lens for about the same price as Wolf Camera. Might be worthwhile checking B&H out before pulling the trigger.
TitusvileSurfer
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Ah B&H, I don't bother with anyone else accept a local mom and pop shop that I like to support.
I use a R2400. My driver settings don't actually give me DPI, but I use "Photo" vs. "Best Photo" and turn off "high speed." My process is probably different than yours. I use LR to print and tell LR my target DPI. I have no idea what it does to the file before sending it to the printer and honestly don't care. I like the output as well as any lab prints that I've done and control the whole process.
Xandernfs: That looks like a decent deal. Wolf Camera is the same company as Ritz Camera. While I don't consider them to be a "real" camera store it's a national chain and I wouldn't be too worried. That said, all of my online camera purchases are with B&H.
Xandernfs
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What is B&H can somebody send me a link? (i'm a work). Wolf is the only camera store in the area. We also did like the fact that they offered free classes. We have no experience what so ever and thought it would be a good idea.
On the other hand, we were unsure of getting the 'insurance plan' so the internet (B&H) may be the better deal....
On the other hand, we were unsure of getting the 'insurance plan' so the internet (B&H) may be the better deal....
Here's the link for B&H: http://www.bhphotovideo.com
They are a huge store in New York City. However, if Wolf Camera is local to you, that might be a big positive. They can provide you with hands on assistance. And, free classes would make a good starting point for you.
They are a huge store in New York City. However, if Wolf Camera is local to you, that might be a big positive. They can provide you with hands on assistance. And, free classes would make a good starting point for you.
TitusvileSurfer
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Yeah if you buy their product and they will teach you how to use it for free, then they deserve a pat on the back.
TitusvileSurfer
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Get it from there and let them teach you how to use it. B&H is an excellent place to buy...heck just about any electronics. They will ship a quality product to your door on time at a fair price. They aren't going to teach you anything though. Maybe if you take a trip to NYC. If you have a store within 5 minutes of your house that says, "Give us a chance and buy from us. We'll even teach you how to use it free of charge just to say thanks." Heck, they earned that sale. Not to mention we can skip the easy stuff and dive right into your more advanced questions here at RC. Maybe not me because I am a Canon guy but it will make life easier on whoever picks it up.
Xandernfs
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At Wolf Camera, we can basically get the D40 with the 55-200mm VR lense for a little more than the same price as the D60. Would that be worth it? I'd like to get a better zoom any ways or would the D60's 18-55mm work just fine? I know thats more of a bias question, but I can't seem to find a solid answer to get either of the 2.
TitusvileSurfer
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Your in Nikon territory, beyond any educated help I could possibly offer. Change that D40 to a 40D and I'll talk equipment all day. 
Slakker
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I'd say make your decision after getting your hands on them. I've played around with the D40 and D60 both, and there are some subtle differences between them.
I can't imagine a store that offers free lessons would expect you to buy a camera without taking some shots with it first. You should be able to handle both of them in the store and get a feel for which one you prefer.
That's how I decided on a D80...now I just have to come up with the funds
I can't imagine a store that offers free lessons would expect you to buy a camera without taking some shots with it first. You should be able to handle both of them in the store and get a feel for which one you prefer.
That's how I decided on a D80...now I just have to come up with the funds
IPT
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Doug - cool, as long as you're happy with the quality it doesn't really matter does it 
Too much technological nonesense in the digital era anyway. Many ways to skin a cat as they say.
Xandernfs - much as you'd like one, there is no solid answer. Most people choose a system (Nikon, Canon, etc) and go from there. Lens choice is very important. Buy the best you can from the start. You'll get better pictures with good glass on a lower level camera than cheep glass on a higher level camera. I have invested in the best lenses I could afford and have stuck with them. I have upgraded my camera bodies several time though over the years.
As for learning about this stuff there are many excellent online tutorials that are only a mouse click away. Then it really is a matter of practice and experimentation. I remember many moons ago literally going out with some rolls of slide film (so the lab couldn't affect the exposure or color during printing) and taking tons of pictures at different exposures, different F stops, etc all the while writing down the info. Then when i looked back I could see the difference in the amount of focus (depth of field) at f2.8 (shallow) vs f22 (more front to back depth). Now with digital it tracks all that info for you and it's just a click away. And, you even have to pay for film and developing!
Too much technological nonesense in the digital era anyway. Many ways to skin a cat as they say.Xandernfs - much as you'd like one, there is no solid answer. Most people choose a system (Nikon, Canon, etc) and go from there. Lens choice is very important. Buy the best you can from the start. You'll get better pictures with good glass on a lower level camera than cheep glass on a higher level camera. I have invested in the best lenses I could afford and have stuck with them. I have upgraded my camera bodies several time though over the years.
As for learning about this stuff there are many excellent online tutorials that are only a mouse click away. Then it really is a matter of practice and experimentation. I remember many moons ago literally going out with some rolls of slide film (so the lab couldn't affect the exposure or color during printing) and taking tons of pictures at different exposures, different F stops, etc all the while writing down the info. Then when i looked back I could see the difference in the amount of focus (depth of field) at f2.8 (shallow) vs f22 (more front to back depth). Now with digital it tracks all that info for you and it's just a click away. And, you even have to pay for film and developing!
IPT
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I'm a big fan of Canon. You really need to get your hands on both of them though. User controls and the ergonomics will different from camera to camera and esp manufacturer to manufacturer.
Canon used to be leading the way with digital, and had a superior lens line up. Now it is probably more like the Chevy vs Ford argument. Both will get the job done quite well.
one for Canon though - course I'm biased.
Canon used to be leading the way with digital, and had a superior lens line up. Now it is probably more like the Chevy vs Ford argument. Both will get the job done quite well.
one for Canon though - course I'm biased
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TitusvileSurfer
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The 400D would be great. I don't understand why the 1000D exists.
The main differences between the Nikon D40 and Canon 400D as I see them:
Canon cost an extra $50
Canon has additional 4mp (6mp vs. 10mp)
Nikon CCD 1.6 MP/cm², Canon CMOS 3.1 MP/cm². The Canon basically has more megapixels on a fractionally smaller sensor.
Nikon has 3200 ISO capability while the Canon tops out 1 stop lower @ 1600 ISO. They preform comparably @ 1600 ISO but I would give the trophy to Nikon here. This is likely a direct result of its 1.6 MP/cm² pixel density I would imagine.
Crop factor same as always, Nikon 1.5x, Canon 1.6x
Continuious shooting: Nikon 2.5 pictures per second, unlimited JPEG (?can't do RAW?), Canon 3.0 pictures per second 27 JPEG or 10 RAW
They can both shoot RAW, I just don't think (maybe incorrectly) that the Nikon can shoot raw like a machine gun.
That pretty much sums it up other than the Nikon only achieves auto focus with AF-S or AF-I lenses. I don't understand the full depth or extent of this but have heard an earful of complaints. The Canon is compatible with every Canon EOS lens.
The Canon does have one more obvious if not unfair advantage in simply being a Canon of course.
The main differences between the Nikon D40 and Canon 400D as I see them:
Canon cost an extra $50
Canon has additional 4mp (6mp vs. 10mp)
Nikon CCD 1.6 MP/cm², Canon CMOS 3.1 MP/cm². The Canon basically has more megapixels on a fractionally smaller sensor.
Nikon has 3200 ISO capability while the Canon tops out 1 stop lower @ 1600 ISO. They preform comparably @ 1600 ISO but I would give the trophy to Nikon here. This is likely a direct result of its 1.6 MP/cm² pixel density I would imagine.
Crop factor same as always, Nikon 1.5x, Canon 1.6x
Continuious shooting: Nikon 2.5 pictures per second, unlimited JPEG (?can't do RAW?), Canon 3.0 pictures per second 27 JPEG or 10 RAW
They can both shoot RAW, I just don't think (maybe incorrectly) that the Nikon can shoot raw like a machine gun.
That pretty much sums it up other than the Nikon only achieves auto focus with AF-S or AF-I lenses. I don't understand the full depth or extent of this but have heard an earful of complaints. The Canon is compatible with every Canon EOS lens.
The Canon does have one more obvious if not unfair advantage in simply being a Canon of course.
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roktsintst
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what about this? best buy NIkon D60 w/ camera bag adn 55-200 lens for 725? OR they have the D40 w/the same lens for 550? is the D60 worth the extra 125?
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