Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it

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Playing it forward to when you add new fish; Personally, I quarantine and treat all new fish preventatively for cryptocaryon irritans. I now have over 50 fish plus some fry in the system . New fish can have it without obvious symptoms as it may be in th softer tissues of the mouth .nostirls and gills ; just one parasite can settle to the bottom encyst and create 2 hundred in a 10/14 day time frame and then 200 by 200 and so on;so, I'm not satisfied with just quarantine,;though, that's a very good step. I use the tank transfer method;med free,extremely effective and fast for all new additions ;no exceptions. Been ich free for about 8 years even with numerous new additions over that time.

Good luck .

Tom
 
tang named junkyard said:
First, about me. I've been in the hobby for over 15 years. I've tried every garlic/uv trick out there in my past reef keeping. On 3 seperate occasions (all happening by adding a fish that has had ich) I have cured the tank with ginger powder you can get at any albertsons. I usually mix it up with my sis shrimp and simply add it to tank. There is no exact amount other than sprinkling it on top and mixing it in. When you add it to to the tank the ginger shoots out in a cloud. This has no effect on corals, shrimp or snails. The results for me have been fairly quick showing immediate results in 24 hours. All signs of ich vanish and never return. The first time everyone kept saying its part of the cycle etc... But it never returns. 3 different times about a year apart with the same result to all fish involved, even blue tangs. I would use this method before garlic extract which never showed any results. Uv showed modest results.
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It is well known, in the medical field, that ginger and garlic have compounds that are effective against infections ...
 
JB63 said:
It is well known, in the medical field, that ginger and garlic have compounds that are effective against infections ...
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Well, that's niether relevant nor fully accepted as true.
 
Thanks Tom I have a 65g and a 15g tanks that I will setup for future fish additions. I need to read the thread you provided as it is obvious to me at least that what I did of watching the fish for several weeks in the 65g was not enough. I am now running my UV and I am not sure if that is OK for reef and how long should I keep it running... That's another question to raise maybe later on!! Thanks again.
 
The uv is ok. Watch the water temperature if using a large one . It would have to be large for a system the size of yours to efect the parasites a reltively large organism compared to bacteria . Even a large one will only get at some of those in the free swimming phase that happen to pass through it;it won't effect any of them that are in the encysted phase or in fish tissue. that happen to pass through it. Uvs are effective in single pass systems but have very limited effect in recirculating closed systems. I used them for several years and noticed no change when I removed them.
 
tmz said:
Well, that's niether relevant nor fully accepted as true.
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I beg to differ ... thought I think you meant nEIther

Garlic and Ginger do not go after ich, they supposedly boost the immune system (assuming the fish's and ours work the same way) and 'may' make the fish stronger at fighting off infections/parasites.

Must read-up a bit on benefits of such compounds in medical literature ... plenty that supports such 'claim/fact' ...

But, let us stay on topic ... shall we?
 
JB63 said:
I beg to differ ... thought I think you meant nEIther

Garlic and Ginger do not go after ich, they supposedly boost the immune system (assuming the fish's and ours work the same way) and 'may' make the fish stronger at fighting off infections/parasites.

Must read-up a bit on benefits of such compounds in medical literature ... plenty that supports such 'claim/fact' ...

But, let us stay on topic ... shall we?
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If I was going to critique someone's spelling I would really check my own :dance:
 
JB63 said:
I beg to differ ... thought I think you meant nEIther

Garlic and Ginger do not go after ich, they supposedly boost the immune system (assuming the fish's and ours work the same way) and 'may' make the fish stronger at fighting off infections/parasites.

Must read-up a bit on benefits of such compounds in medical literature ... plenty that supports such 'claim/fact' ...

But, let us stay on topic ... shall we?
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have you read the Garlic sticky ? Garlic is NOT good for fish ... it will do more harm than good.
 
Allmost said:
have you read the Garlic sticky ? Garlic is NOT good for fish ... it will do more harm than good.
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Maybe I should ... seems we've all (maybe not all) have been 'misled' by garlic soaks and the like ... though everything biologic has a 'subjective' factor.

Cheers!
 
JB63 said:
It is well known, in the medical field, that ginger and garlic have compounds that are effective against infections ...
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And here I was, thinking the body of medical literature showed that antibiotics were effective against infections! Guess I should have paid less attention in medical school. :(

All kidding aside though, this analogy is oddly appropriate. Giving your fish garlic for ich would be like treating sepsis with vitamin C. Sure there is some vague fringe evidence and a wives tale or two that says lots of vitamin C boosts your immune system, and it probly won't hurt anything, but if you use it to treat your sepsis you will still die.
 
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JB63.
That's a classless cheap shot . Maybe you needed that,since you haven't said anything else of value. Anyway,thanks for the correction.

I see you learned the basic " i before e..." spelling rule. Good job! Please do go back to the basics and work on punctuation and sentence structure and brush up on spelling too.It will take some effort but it'll be worth it for you.

I'm glad you plan to "read -up(sic) a bit on benefits of such compounds". There is no hyphen in read up,by the way.
If you find something specific and relevant from the medical literature be sure to let us know.
I've read a good deal about ginger and garlic ;so , I assume your almost sentence without a subject refers to yourself.

On second thought don't bother ;there isn't a need to continue down this obfuscatory track,you opened.


Let's stay on track; I agree vague silly references to notions about herbal remedies in humans is way of topic and irrelevant .However, it was your misguided pedantry that took us there.

Sticking with the picayune stuff, where you seem most comfortable, I'd like to know why you capitalized "Ginger" in your post. Are you referring to a specific proper name of a person ,a product or a deity?
 
Must have hit a nerve there ... Relax, it's not worth it, as it goes against the benefits of having a hobby. I was simply answering a 'harsh' reply (that YOU started). But it's ok, it is well known that many on this forum are often 'blunt' yet do not take reciprocation too well. I walk away having learned something new (about garlic).
Cheers ... and Meilleurs Voeux pour 2014.
 
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Big DT with disease ich and other irritants

Big DT with disease ich and other irritants

IMO, It would be worthwhile for me and hopefully others with large setups, if we hear from those with the expertise shown here , if they would summarize for us what is the best approach to use when a big mixed reef tank is contaminated and is full of fish and corals and over a thousand pound of rocks and hiding places, while keeping everything in DT and hoping to minimize fish losses while protecting corals and other critters..
Water salinity/ Temperature/ skimmer on or off/ UV on or off if have it // ozone on or off if have it/ carbon / GFO/ feeding frequency/ type of food/ and duration of any change of salinity etc.. anything else that you propose that can help in food or water supplement/ percent changes in water and frequency.... anything else that can possibly salvage an otherwise well established DT other than tearing it down to get the fish out... Greatly appreciate all input that would address this point and many thanks.. please write for a beginner in fish disease treatment. If medication is an answer where can I get it... THANKS
 
blanden.adam said:
And here I was, thinking the body of medical literature showed that antibiotics were effective against infections! Guess I should have paid less attention in medical school. :(

All kidding aside though, this analogy is oddly appropriate. Giving your fish garlic for ich would be like treating sepsis with vitamin C. Sure there is some vague fringe evidence and a wives tale or two that says lots of vitamin C boosts your immune system, and it probly won't hurt anything, but if you use it to treat your sepsis you will still die.
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Interesting discussion for sure ... though a bit off topic, and might be better moved to the lounge.

No one would refute the effectiveness of anti-biotics, though some have a wide spectrum and take the 'nuke them all' approach. While at MIT, and many years ago, I came across ideas being pursued on the use of 'closed loop feedback systems' in medical treatments. The thinking was that, while medicating a patient, one must MEASURE the patient's response to said medication and adjust accordingly. We're not there yet for humans, let alone aquarium critters ... But my point is, I've learned over the years that, in contrast with the more 'exact' sciences, the body of knowledge in Medicine is constantly evolving and there are few absolute truths (almost). This makes the practice very difficult, owing to patient subjectivity amongst others. The effectiveness of garlic for fish is another example ... Lol

On a personal note, glad to be an engineer, where the laws of physics do not evolve that rapidly.

Cheers.
 
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