Going to try One And Only Nitrifying Bacteria by Dr Tim's Aquatics

[davocean]

I know I have my own opinion on that Dr Tims already, and if someone wants to still use it/try it that is fine, that is all on you.
My issue is using fish as a cycle starter, that is so outdated, and I think cruel to the fish.
Animals should not be placed in a tank until you are certain it has cycled and all params are clear and stable.
On top of it you should really read up on multiple clowns kept in one tank, it usually doesn't work out.

 

[kaipo13]

I am curious how nitrifying bacteria are supposed to survive in a bottle for however long they are there without any food? I suppose Dr. Tim has found some secret answer to placing the bacteria in some sort of suspending animation?

This is the big problem I have believing this... I'm not saying it isn't possible to transfer bugs(bacteria,) but, in my experience with waste water plants(different "bugs" I know,) the bacteria are very, very sensitive to environmental changes, and can't last very long without food to survive.

Dr. Tim could revolutionize the waste water/water treatment industry world-wide with his snake oil if you believe this...

 

[f3honda4me]

I personally know a lot of people who have had great results with it. Treat people how you would like to be treated. Love your neighbor as yourself.

I use dr tims all the time. I love it. Always cuts down on my cycle time. I still do get a cycle though. With enough ammonia to kill fish. I don't use dr tims and live fish. I use dr Tim's and a shrimp or in some cases pure ammonia.

 

[f3honda4me]

I know I have my own opinion on that Dr Tims already, and if someone wants to still use it/try it that is fine, that is all on you.
My issue is using fish as a cycle starter, that is so outdated, and I think cruel to the fish.
Animals should not be placed in a tank until you are certain it has cycled and all params are clear and stable.
On top of it you should really read up on multiple clowns kept in one tank, it usually doesn't work out.

This was my point exactly.

 

[f3honda4me]

I am curious how nitrifying bacteria are supposed to survive in a bottle for however long they are there without any food? I suppose Dr. Tim has found some secret answer to placing the bacteria in some sort of suspending animation?

This is the big problem I have believing this... I'm not saying it isn't possible to transfer bugs(bacteria,) but, in my experience with waste water plants(different "bugs" I know,) the bacteria are very, very sensitive to environmental changes, and can't last very long without food to survive.

Dr. Tim could revolutionize the waste water/water treatment industry world-wide with his snake oil if you believe this...

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it "snake oil". If you wish to provide your credentials and some kind of data, we'd be happy to hear it.

 

[docstomper]

I would DEFIANTLY use Dr. Tim Products. He has a PhD in aquarium/ocean bacteria. He wrote his thesis on bacteria in aquariums. He is a very intelligent man and would not sell you Snake Oil. He also will answer your phone calls if you call him and answer any questions you have.

Keep in mind, he has a PhD in this stuff!

Just had him down in Vegas where he spoke to us about bacteria in aquariums.

BTW, He WILL be at MAX this year!

 

[snakeklr]

Well folks,
With all the bashing, Nay sayers, heer say, I am doing it. LIke I call it its a "Nuke" test. take it as it is, the fish and corals are guinea pigs to the test. If they survive Great, if not then so be it lesson learnt. Someone has to try it, and with me I always push the envelop. I get a kick out of it when someone tells me i cant do it, I do it to prove them wrong. And normally I win. My grandpa told me there is always a better way to turn a screw, we just have to figure it out. So I see it this way. I am risking my time, my expensess, my effort, My system, And I am logging it each day to show you how it is going. Anyone want to come down and look at it run your own test please. I have taken a lot of hated coments and misdirect concerns, You dodnt pay my bills. So here is teh results, 48 hrs after treatment.

Day #2 "nuke" test.

All is well.


Level test
Phosphates PO3/4 0.5ppm down 1.5 from yesterday
NO2- 0ppm same
NO3- 0ppm- -10down from yesterday
Amonia NH3- oppm not a trace

so everything zeroing out? is it possible?

Oh the brown algea on sand started to day very lightly.

Also side note: added a devils hand, another zoo
The X-wife let me get my old LR from the back yard, so i sent my son down to Ark to get it. Abt 50-80ish of dry LR. been sitting on the back porch from when i took the 300 down. So now have plenty of LR. lol now have to do some rearanging.

Hope everyone has a great Sunday!

 

[Moort82]

I know I have my own opinion on that Dr Tims already, and if someone wants to still use it/try it that is fine, that is all on you.
My issue is using fish as a cycle starter, that is so outdated, and I think cruel to the fish.
Animals should not be placed in a tank until you are certain it has cycled and all params are clear and stable.
On top of it you should really read up on multiple clowns kept in one tank, it usually doesn't work out.

Completely agree. We can't get Dr Tims over here to my knowledge and i think that's a good thing. I'm not sure if it would be popular anyway but i prefer a more natural way tbh. Patience is key in this hobby and rushing it will get you no where. Take it slow and do as much research as possible and your half way there.

 

[Toddrtrex]

Wow, doing this to try to prove people wrong and referring to your corals, fish and inverts as guinea pigs?!?

That attitude is enough for me to unsubscribe from this thread.

 

[Grace tank]

Dogs,cats,rats even people are used as guinea pigs! This is how the world advances.
I personally would not use the product,but only because I started the old way many years ago with my tanks and that is what worked for me so I will continue to do it the old fashioned way.
I don't think we should bash anybody who tries something new.i think we have all done something with our tanks a time or two even when we were told that it was not a good idea!
Keep us up to date-curiosity has me so I am reading along.

 

[f3honda4me]

Well folks,
With all the bashing, Nay sayers, heer say, I am doing it. LIke I call it its a "Nuke" test. take it as it is, the fish and corals are guinea pigs to the test. If they survive Great, if not then so be it lesson learnt. Someone has to try it, and with me I always push the envelop. I get a kick out of it when someone tells me i cant do it, I do it to prove them wrong. And normally I win. My grandpa told me there is always a better way to turn a screw, we just have to figure it out. So I see it this way. I am risking my time, my expensess, my effort, My system, And I am logging it each day to show you how it is going. Anyone want to come down and look at it run your own test please. I have taken a lot of hated coments and misdirect concerns, You dodnt pay my bills. So here is teh results, 48 hrs after treatment.

I don't think you're really understanding the point. There isn't anything for you to "prove" here? And no one said "this won't work, you can't do it". Everything you're doing has been done before. Your fish may very well live, but that doesn't mean you "proved them wrong".

The point here is that based upon what you've told us, you will get some ammonia spikes. You used uncured dry/live rock, which means you are likely to have an ammonia spike within probably the next 2 weeks from all the die off and organic material that was on the rock.

You are doing a "cycle with fish" which again isn't anything new. A lot on here though don't really care for that method because of what it puts the fish through. Even if they live, they still had to deal with ammonia poisoning at some point, which is what some would consider almost torture to the fish. So you're getting the "hate" comments because there are those who consider it cruel to the fish, especially given there are plenty of just as good fishless methods.

To each their own, but you're not really proving anything here or doing anything ground breaking. :/ And no one is "hating" on you. Many of us have tried to remain constructive in our comments.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm a huge fan of DR Tim's. I love the stuff, as I find it definitely shortens the amount of time it takes my tanks to cycle. But I still get ammonia and nitrite spikes when using it in a tank with either uncured LR/dry rock or in a QT with a shrimp to get the cycle going. The ammonia and nitrite just don't take as long to go away if I use the DR Tims.

 

[snakeklr]

Thought id show some pics, Everyone wants pics lol

the Tank today 3-11-12

pic of the fish, sorry best I could with them swining in the current

This was the tank with Plain water on 3-2-12.

 

[davocean]

Yeah, this is nothing new by any means, that stuff has been around for years now, and we have seen a number of threads similar already over the years, nothing ground breaking here.

 

[Reefahholic]

Dogs,cats,rats even people are used as guinea pigs! This is how the world advances.
I personally would not use the product,but only because I started the old way many years ago with my tanks and that is what worked for me so I will continue to do it the old fashioned way.
I don't think we should bash anybody who tries something new.i think we have all done something with our tanks a time or two even when we were told that it was not a good idea!
Keep us up to date-curiosity has me so I am reading along.

I agree, we should not bash our fellow reefers. Give the man a break. Dr. Tim PHD says to use FISH or ammonia to start the process.

Why don't you guys give him a call and take your frustrations out on him.

 

[davocean]

I agree, we should not bash our fellow reefers. Give the man a break. Dr. Tim PHD says to use FISH or ammonia to start the process.

Why don't you guys give him a call and take your frustrations out on him.

Because we are here discussing this on a public forum.
Just because someone has letters after their name does not make them always right or make their methods best, and disagreeing w/ someone's methods is not meant to bash, but rather learn from discussion and sharing experiences.
There's no need to harm animals in what we do.

 

[Reefahholic]

Because we are here discussing this on a public forum.
Just because someone has letters after their name does not make them always right or make their methods best, and disagreeing w/ someone's methods is not meant to bash, but rather learn from discussion and sharing experiences.
There's no need to harm animals in what we do.

I would agree, but some of the comments are taken too far. Here are some examples:

Should we bash walmart for selling cast nets because a lot of innocent bait fish die in the process of catching bait.

Or maybe just ban sport fishing around the world due to the pain that black marlin and red snapper have to endure from a fish hook.

Perhaps we should all quit eating shrimp because so many innocent animals are caught in the nets and suffer or die because we Americans love to eat shrimp.

Should I quit mowing my yard because of the wild flowers that are having their sex organs ripped out by my lawnmower blades.

I'm hoping by now you're seeing how ridiculous I'm sounding, which is my point about those who are bashing the poor guy that took the advice of a PHD and advanced reef aquarist who stated on his product to use fish or ammonia to get the cycle going. He has stated that the levels are so low...that the fish aren't put through the suffering of your typical cycle.

 

[docstomper]

A few more letters before your name? His study is bacteria. The same bacteria on this topic. He works around the world fixing aquariums bacteria process that probably cost more to maintain in one month that most on this forum make in a year. Give him a call Im sure he will blow your mind with information.

 

[Reefahholic]

A few more letters before your name? His study is bacteria. The same bacteria on this topic. He works around the world fixing aquariums bacteria process that probably cost more to maintain in one month that most on this forum make in a year. Give him a call Im sure he will blow your mind with information.

I heard the dude is very nice and will personally talk with you on the phone. Check out this video too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXXiaf6Uvds&feature=youtube_gdata_player

For those who haven't seen the video or know who DR. Tim is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPxExG-FbvI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[BlueCorn]

I'm hoping by now you're seeing how ridiculous I'm sounding

Yes. Yes we are. You're entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else. My opinion is that anyone who recommends using fish to start their cycle is irresponsible; regardless of how many initials they have after their name.

 

[Reefahholic]

Maybe so