Guide to setup a Quarantine Tank (QT).

i would do both, more surface area for more bacteria. leave it in a cycled/established tank for 2-3 weeks for it to be seeded. then transfer to qt. then ghost feed and check for ammonia/nitrites next day to be sure. then add small fish and then on add fish making sure not to overload the system as its young.
good luck and safe reefing. and thanks for the compliment on fish yes i hope all goes well its a very expensive fish (Achilles).
 
bnumair, could you please point me in the right direction as to what meds i should have on hand with my QT? links would be awesome,thanks.
 
Sure. I am at work on my cell but soon as I get to a computer I can post links but for now you wanna have:
Prime or Amquel for ammonia spikes
Prazipro for flukes and worms and many other parasites
Cupramine for treating ich (contains copper)
Lots of water freshly made for water changes.
Test kits
I would start there and there are times u may need antibiotics and some other meds but they are only needed if fish has some particular disease.
I wouldn't carry those on hand unless needed as they are time sensitive.
 
bnumair.

I am concerned that I may have added copper to my DT by accident - is there a way to know for sure?

Let me explain how... I set up my DT and it has cycled over the last 6 weeks or so. I added a CUC and now finally settng up the QT. I know got the order reversed, but am new to the hobby. In any case, I bought a 10G tank and HOB from another reefer about a year ago. The HOB had a sponge in it, which I put in the DT for a day, before thinking better of it. I am not sure, but think the QT may have run copper in it when it was up over a year ago... and I put the sponge from the HOB in my DT. Have I contaminated my DT?
 
if sponge was used in a copper treated tank then contamination YES. but its just a word that sounds awful.
the only way to know for sure is to test for copper with a test kit. but i would run carbon or cuprasorb or poly filter just to be on the safe side if u dont wanna buy a test kit.
my guess is u will be safe. keep an eye on ur cuc they will be first to die if there was a contamination.
good luck let me know.
again my professional guess will be ur safe.
 
Thanks for such a quick reply. will pick up a test kit right away. Snails seem to be okay... will check and see. If there is copper in the DT, what does that mean? Do i need to break down and bleach everything?
 
Today progress:
Sg: 1.009 Temp 80F pH 8.1
All fish look good. Achilles went after the hippo first day then left it alone.
here are few pics from today.

20130523_191613_14_zpsbd86fa51.jpg
 
I also dosed PraziPro with hyposalinity (which i have never tried before). Lot of people ask me if it can be done. i am sure it can but i have never experienced it till today so will keep this posted and update as things progress.
 
Setting Up My First QT Tank

Setting Up My First QT Tank

Hi Everyone!

For starters, thanks for a wonderful forum and priceless info I have gained from it :) I have been a long time reader here but decided to finally join and post my first question.

I currently have a FOWLR setup, it's been up and running around 3 months now. I currently have it stocked with 2 clown fish, 2 shrimp, some snails and hermits.

It was this thread that convinced me that the right way to proceed with all new purchases would be have a separate QT tank and do the PraziPro technic along with cupramine should i ever introduce tangs.

After a little deliberating, I decided to go with the emergency styled QT tank, since I was only planning on adding max 2 more fish to my aquarium and then hold it like that for a few months.
After weeks of looking for the perfect one, I finally came across the most perfect Flame Angel, i knew it was the one, and i bought it.

I came home, setup my Emergency tank, dripped my new purchase and dumped her in. Unfortunately even though i knew what i was getting into, I simply couldn't keep up with all the water changes, testing, etc...and the tank got the best of me and my Flame died. I was so upset and felt so bad, it was a hard lesson learned and vowed to never do it this way again. Going forward, i was going to setting up a permanent QT.

A month later, which is now, i went out and purchased a 10 Gallon tank as my new QT (as the one i was using previously was only 5...Fluval Spec V).

On Saturday morning (yesterday), I filled it up with a new SW, mixed to 1.023.
The tank came with the Fluval C2 filter setup so I'm using that for filtration.
I added the foam sponge insert, and the C-Nodes that came with it. I decided to also swap out 12 C-Nodes from my DT (which is using a Fluval C3) and add those to the new Nodes to assist with the cycle, and take 12 new ones and put them in my DT to keep stock fresh.
I did not add the carbon to the filter.

The tank is bare bottom, no rock, no sand, completely empty with just the filter and heather running. Some PVC pipe to follow shortly.

After the QT was up and running, I went out yesterday afternoon and purchased a piece of raw shrimp, a medium sized piece, probably 2" in size.

I turned up my heater a little more, probably in the "80" range and tossed the shrimp in.

Here is where i am still confused on how to go forward, this is where the questions more or less come in.

Today, 24 hours after putting the piece of raw shrimp in, i got the following reading:

Ammonia: between 3 and 4 ppm
Nitrite: 0

I was a little concerned that my Ammonia level jumped so fast and after reading more on various forums, i gathered that the shrimp was to large of a piece for this size tank so I took it out, cut it down to around the size of a quarter and dropped it back in.

So, what are the next steps now?

Do i leave the smaller piece of shrimp in the tank to continue rotting until Nitrites show up?

If so, when should i be taking out the piece of shrimp and let the cycle continue without it? Do i need to reach an ideal amount of Nitrites first?

Will the 12 C-Nodes i took out of my DT do anything to help the cycle or speed it up?

The foam sponge on my DT is finished, it's been in there about a month and it's time to be replaced, it wont clean anymore. Should i add a clean sponge to the C3 in my DT and use the dirty one in my QT C2 by cutting it down to size. Will this do anything at all to help or should i toss it as it's all used up?

I just want to do this right and want to ensure my permanent QT tank gets cycled properly and not have to worry that it isn't when i try buying another Flame Angel in the future. I don't want to worry about about Ammonia rises anymore and want my new QT tank setup in full before adding a fish to it.

If there are any other tips i can use in setting up my new QT tank, please add them as well.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read my first post, it's lengthy but it's my introduction and letting you know the history of my tanks. Going forward, they'll be much shorter lol.

Tony
 
Last edited:
well first off i am glad ur doing things right way. sorry for the first loss and yes temporary qt requires a little more from owner than permanent. But now that u have a permanent qt setup. here is what u need to do.
ammonia of 3-4 is good u can pull the shrimp out now.
then just wait till ammonia drop to 0 and nitrites go up and then down to 0. then nitrates will be high. at that point u can do a 50% water change and start off with just 1 small fish then few days u can add 1-3 small fish and so on.
u can speed up the cycle by introducing the established foam/filters sitting in ur min tank but this is no guarantee as no one knows if they are seeded with bacteria or not but guess is if they are then u are giving qt a boost by importing bacteria.
if there is live rock in ur main tank and this tank have been fully cycled then u can take the foam out and place it in qt.
once ur qt cycles properly just like a main tank then u can add a small fish then few days later u can add the flame.
but for now i would wait the cycle out.
good luck and safe reefing.


please feel free to ask any questions and concerns u may have.
 
Thank you so much for the speedy reply!!

I just went to re-test and reconfirm that my ammonia was indeed between 3-4 and it is, so as per your instructions, i have removed the piece of shrimp from the tank.

The tank is very foggy / cloudy at the moment.

Will i be needing to ghost feed at all?

Will the ammonia disappear on its own now or does it only disappear with the introduction of nitrites. I guess i'm just concerned about stalling the process now that the shrimp is out.

The majority of the rock in my DT is very much live, lots of algae, gone through all kinds of blooms, various types of algae, it was full alive when i bought it.

If i grab the sponge from my dt tank and cut it down to fit and seed my QT, can i remove it after 2 weeks or so or will that cause a mini cycle once i put in a new clean sponge? The sponge is pretty finished. Maybe i can leave the new sponge as is in the new qt and and drop the old one into the tank and let it sit on the bottom to seed it? Is that an option?

As for the fish, must i add a small fish before adding the flame? I plan to keep this qt tank up and running about 6 months, until the 2 new fish i want to add are in my dt with no issues and wait a few months after that but with my wife already not happy about this 2nd tank, not sure how permanent it will be and would hate to buy a fish i had no intention in keeping.
I am guessing you are mentioning to do this as after the cycle is complete, it will prob crash without feeding it some sort of ammonia, which i would get from keeping a small fish it in. If i decided to go this route and buy a small fish for it, what do you suggest that is really friendly for just about anything i decide to buy? Worst case i can return it to the store if i can't keep it later on.


I'll certainly post my progress here to show how things are coming along :)

Again thanks for helping out!
 
Last edited:
If ammonia is 3-4 u dont need that shrimp in there any more. that is enough ammonia for a tank to get cycle started. soon after there will be some bacteria that will start growing in the tank that will neutralize the ammonia to nitrites then another type of bacteria will neutralize nitrites to nitrates. that is what we call cycle.
u dont have to ghost feed or anything during cycle. once ammonia is 0 then nitrites will spike and come back down to 0. once both are 0 then ur ready to do water change.
after water change i recommend putting a small fish but in ur case u cant so goto flame angel directly.
placing the sponge from dt into qt will help introducing bacteria which in return help cycling faster (not a whole lot). u can place it in qt for as long as the flame is in the qt then remove it.
while ur waiting in between fish u can ghost feed once every 2-3 days to keep the qt cycled.
good luck i hope i answered everything u asked.
 
Okay I have my display tank going and I didn't QT any of my coral or fish. I'm going to from now on.

I have a question with the filter for the QT tank. I broke down my freshwater tank that I'm going to use as a QT now and it has one of those cheap filters that came with it (Tetra Whisper Power Filter 20). Can I use this as my HOB filter for my QT?

Also since my display tank does not have a sump then what should I do?

So far from reading it looks like I might need to get a HOB filter for my tank (37 gallon bow) so that I can change the sponge over? Or is there another option like just run my HOB filter in my QT with water from my DT?

Thanks for your help!
 
Okay I have my display tank going and I didn't QT any of my coral or fish. I'm going to from now on.

I have a question with the filter for the QT tank. I broke down my freshwater tank that I'm going to use as a QT now and it has one of those cheap filters that came with it (Tetra Whisper Power Filter 20). Can I use this as my HOB filter for my QT?

Also since my display tank does not have a sump then what should I do?

So far from reading it looks like I might need to get a HOB filter for my tank (37 gallon bow) so that I can change the sponge over? Or is there another option like just run my HOB filter in my QT with water from my DT?

Thanks for your help!

Hi
U can use the HOB from ur freshwater setup. Just put fresh filters in it with out carbon or simply buy ceramic media and fill HOB with it. No need to change filters that way. Less chance for mini cycle. I dont run filters at all just media.
I didnt understand the second part of ur question regarding 37 bow front. Can u explain. Please.
Thanks and good luck
Safe reefing.
 
Sure. I am at work on my cell but soon as I get to a computer I can post links but for now you wanna have:
Prime or Amquel for ammonia spikes
Prazipro for flukes and worms and many other parasites
Cupramine for treating ich (contains copper)
Lots of water freshly made for water changes.
Test kits
I would start there and there are times u may need antibiotics and some other meds but they are only needed if fish has some particular disease.
I wouldn't carry those on hand unless needed as they are time sensitive.

would still love those links if you have the time, i just want to make sure i get decent meds.thanks.

also, im sure i know the answer already but want to make sure. for a QT a 20 long would be better than a 20 tall right?? always get a longer than taller for a QT correct? thanks.
 
Hi
U can use the HOB from ur freshwater setup. Just put fresh filters in it with out carbon or simply buy ceramic media and fill HOB with it. No need to change filters that way. Less chance for mini cycle. I dont run filters at all just media.
I didnt understand the second part of ur question regarding 37 bow front. Can u explain. Please.
Thanks and good luck
Safe reefing.

Ok thanks now there is some algae in that old hob should I just try to clean it out as much as possible and still use it?

As for the hob in my bow tank. One of the suggestions is to take the media from the sump of the display tank to put in in the hob of the qt. With no sump I can't do that. I would rather have a temporary qt so is this necessary or can I just take my dt water when I need it and run the hob of my qt with a fresh filter?
 
would still love those links if you have the time, i just want to make sure i get decent meds.thanks.

also, im sure i know the answer already but want to make sure. for a QT a 20 long would be better than a 20 tall right?? always get a longer than taller for a QT correct? thanks.

sorry i forgot about it.
but here are the links to some of the general meds.

prime
http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Prime.html
Amquel
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752416
prazipro
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=12098
cupramine
http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Cupramine.html

on the tank size it depends. if u are going to keep tangs and bigger fish that require more swimming space i rather go longer.
 
Back
Top