H. crispa hosting A. percula - do they lose their colour?

[Mad Marine]

I'm thinking about purchasing a crispa over a gigentea for my wild perc's.

Do perc's lose their colour when hosted by a H. Crispa, like they do when associated with H. magnifica?

Thanks

MM

 

[humphreyhh]

That's an interesting question to me! I never heard of h. crispa making clownfish lose color though. Looking forward to seeing some answers.

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[davocean]

The color loss in mags has been hit or miss, and just going by reading here not so common it would or does keep me from keeping a mag.
Personally I think most mags and gigs have nicer colors and look prettier than most crispas, guess it depends on your priorities and luck.

 

[ThRoewer]

The color loss in mags has been hit or miss, and just going by reading here not so common it would or does keep me from keeping a mag.
Personally I think most mags and gigs have nicer colors and look prettier than most crispas, guess it depends on your priorities and luck.

You need to distinguish between designer (tank bred) percula and wild caught.
Most people don't differentiate that and that accounts for the inconsistent message. Wild percula are highly likely to lose a lot of black in a magnifica. Crispa may be less conclusive.

The pair of percula I have in a crispa lost some black and got overall a more grayish look even in the orange parts.

Another pair I had only for a short time with crispas didn't lose any black.

For best coloration of the fish I would recommend a gigantea. IME no more difficult than a crispa and not too much of a danger to other fish if placed right.

 

[OrionN]

I have both Wild Caught Percula and Tank Raised Percula. I am not sure there is a different in rate of color loss. It is really unpredictable.
I only keep a few Crispa(in the past) and Malu. I did not have color loss with these two species of anemone. However my experience with these anemones is not a lot.

 

[Mad Marine]

ThRoewer - Sorry, I thought I did distinguish - mine are wild caught.

I'll play it save and go with a gigantea (Cipro and QT at hand of course). I moved apartment at the weekend. Here is a video of aquarium second day after tank move.

https://vimeo.com/211463471


My two fish are in QT (hypo-salinity for ich), butterfly and clown doing okay, unfortunately my flame angel perished. Hypo-salinity treatment becomes very difficult when you have a bacteria crash and constant 50% water changes are required everyday which is very tiresome.

Thanks for your comments.

MM

 

[davocean]

I have both Wild Caught Percula and Tank Raised Percula. I am not sure there is a different in rate of color loss. It is really unpredictable.
I only keep a few Crispa(in the past) and Malu. I did not have color loss with these two species of anemone. However my experience with these anemones is not a lot.

I agree most experience I've seen or had has been pretty random and I have not noticed WC or TB to be much of a factor.

I've had both crispa and malu long term and never noticed any issues w/ either WC or TB.

My only color loss issue ever were my doni's picasso's which lost a lot of black when thy were in BTA's, pulled the BTA's and it came back, and perhaps the fact it came back is why I would not give up trying, if that happens you do have the choice of pulling that nem and going w/ a different species.

 

[ThRoewer]

In the wild all the percula you find in magnificas have little to no black. On the other hand, all the percula you find in the wild in giganteas have at a minimum a well defined black border around the white bars.
If that is not directly related to the anemone species then it may be related to the location and water depth. Another possibility is that the percula that prefer magnificas are a different strain than the ones preferring giganteas.

Also, contrary to what is published in Allen and Fautin's book, crispa do not seem to be natural hosts for percula. At least I have not seen any evidence that supports crispa being a natural host for percula.

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[davocean]

Well, so I had a pair of wild caught SI's(solomon islands), and those are known for having a lot of black?
Those did accept a Malu, never saw any issues w/ color there, but obviously they were wild percs w/ heavy black, I'm not positive off the top of my head what nems would be natural to that region.
Also picasso's originated from the wild, so...

I do think that was one correction that was needed in Fautin Allens book, seems no list is perfect, but theirs is pretty close w/ that exception