Hawaii's new aquarium fishing regulations
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skibum9884
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I would think that if the prices of fish were raised it would keep many people out of this hobby that do not belong. In my opinion it should cost more than $30 to buy a yellow tang down the block.
M88A2
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what exactly do u mean by do not belong?
I've known plenty of people that will drop several hundred on a fish without giving it a thought, then talk about how it died when they are buying another one only a few weeks later
Scooter902
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Hmm
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That is a bold statement>>>>>
I don't think money has anything to so with your ability to keep fish alive.
Hmm
That is a bold statement>>>>>
I don't think money has anything to so with your ability to keep fish alive.
"That picture made me so sad" - don't forget that as far as the ecosystem is concerned, the fish in that garbage can are absolutely no different than the ones swimming around in your aquarium....every fish leaving the ocean for any reason is "dead" as far as the ecosystem is concerned. The two studies I've done show that for typical "pet store" fish, the mortality rate over the first 40 days was roughly 40 and 60% respectively. That means that 600 fish could die for every 1000 fish sold, and a medium sized wholesaler turns over more than that in a week.
That image shouldn't evoke sadness. Anger - possibly, if it turns out that the fish all died from some preventable issue, but some are saying that these were just "normal" losses that had built up in a freezer and then got disposed of all at once. Is the image startling? Sure - but less so if you think about it in context.
Jay
That image shouldn't evoke sadness. Anger - possibly, if it turns out that the fish all died from some preventable issue, but some are saying that these were just "normal" losses that had built up in a freezer and then got disposed of all at once. Is the image startling? Sure - but less so if you think about it in context.
Jay
slapshot
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He was also saying it was a built up issue. That those were store up and disposed of at once. But, everyone should understand the costs of our hobby. However, we can at least remember that responsible aquarists can now keep a fish well beyond his normal life in the wild. The key is responsible. We need to remember that our hobby involves life and it is our responsibility to seek and obtain knowledge necessary to keep it in our tanks. I still believe that fisherman take more and waste more then responsible aquarium fisheries. No doubt we can expect more and more protection as time goes on, some of deserveably so. Look at that list of open fish. There are many on there we do not need and really collect very little of because they don't survive well.
It is in our long term interest to be as responsible as possible. I would hate to have seen the losses in the days of dynamite and cynanide fishing. Interesting videos, thanks.
jnc914
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I've known plenty of people that will drop several hundred on a fish without giving it a thought, then talk about how it died when they are buying another one only a few weeks later
I have to agree with this statement. Go no farther than the fish forums here on RC. I have been in this hobby for almost ten years and I learn something new everyday that helps me care long term for the fish I acquire. There are many members that fancy themselves as experts that are quick to post their newest, flashiest, and expensive purchases. But ask these same people what happened to the fish two months later and you find out it perished in their care. Or, then you read in other threads how their tank has ich or some other disease, or how they had multiple fish die off. In alot of cases, people need to realize that just because you have the money to buy a certain fish, doesnt necessarily mean you should if you don't have the experience and forethought to care for your purchase long term.
skibum9884
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I guess I should have elaborated. I understand you will still have those that will spend large amounts of money and have losses, butttt, you might be able to prevent the impulse buyer who saw the "nemo" or "dory" at the LFS and had to have it.
These are the hobbyists we don't see here on RC. I believe if livestock were a bit more expensive some of these hobbyists would do a bit more research online and learn a bit more before making a purchase. Not to mention with the added cost we could provide for better transport conditions, collection practices, better LFS conditions, and better conditions for the people that live in poverty and risk their lives to collect these fish.
When you think about it, it's pretty remarkable that you can buy a fish that was harvested out of the ocean and transported to wherever you live for $30.
These are the hobbyists we don't see here on RC. I believe if livestock were a bit more expensive some of these hobbyists would do a bit more research online and learn a bit more before making a purchase. Not to mention with the added cost we could provide for better transport conditions, collection practices, better LFS conditions, and better conditions for the people that live in poverty and risk their lives to collect these fish.
When you think about it, it's pretty remarkable that you can buy a fish that was harvested out of the ocean and transported to wherever you live for $30.
Though I agree to some point about the cost having some control over buying a fish or not, I think the online stores and LFS's should be more responsible in what they are selling and to whom. This isn't to say that some don't already do this, just that more need to. If there was more education and resources available to those that don't know about say RC or local boards, they could make a more informed smarter decision on their own.
jnc914
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How do you propose retailers do this? Why is it the retailers responsibility to interview a prospective buyer to see if they can appropriately care for a fish? In theory your statement makes sense, however retailers are businesses that are trying to make financial profit. For example, do you think Kevin Kohen from LiveAquaria has the time to interview an anonymous buyer (who can easily lie about their experience) before he is willing to ship a moderate/difficult Diver's Den specimen?
Brick and mortar store owners, for the most part, know what size tank their customers have. It should be the responsibility of the owner and customer. Do you find drug dealers at fault or the people buying the drugs?
I feel both parties are at fault, the problem is that most people are not online like us. Most people go to the fish store for advise, so if an owner tells them it ok, then to them, its ok.
I'm not saying they shouldn't research, obviously, I think they should but the fact of the matter is, they don't.
Nooo not yet another person who thinks collectors use/used dynamite to collect MO fish. It's not true, sorry. They use that for collecting food fish
The fish the get stunned also hemorrhage on the side facing the blast Cn like Bill said is still in use. Some feel more so now then ever. back in the day it was localized to PI. Now it's in Indo, Bali & Vietnam to a big degree. Many feel Indo is a far worse offender then PI. At least PI has been making efforts since the issue was raised in the early 80's by Steve Robinson.
M88A2
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Arent people who would just go and buy whatever, when ever, and how many they felt like more likely to be rich or well off? i dont really see how raiseing the prices will help because people who can barely afford exotic fish/coral are more likely to want to get it right the first time. and i doubt that LFS,catchers, and transpoters would want to spend the extra money from the increase in bettering their methods. They are a buisness and would most likely pocket the increase in costs
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