Help: Dinoflagellates

Flavordsm said:
So far all corals and all fish accounted for. Haven't seen any dino strands pop up yet the daylight bulbs are to come on in about 10 mins so only time will tell then. I still don't have my hopes up just because they [dinoflagellates] have been bullet proof thus far.
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good luck!!! hopefully you beat them!!!:hmm2:
 
Well so far so good it doesn't look like I have any dinos in the tank. It has only been 2 days with the lights back on and light duration has been shortened to 4 hours. I will be kicking the lights back over to the full duration on Monday. I can say that my tank is wicked clear.. I mean I have always had a really clear tank but this clearness is a whole other league, and I haven't done a water change in a few months trying to starve these dinos out. I can't conclude if the peroxide killed my dino problem just because I'm not one to jump on a hot new cure quickly and don't like to proclaim them either. All I can say is I dosed peroxide for a week as well as doing 2 sets of 3 days lights out back to back and all livestock is still alive and my dinos seem to be gone.. I will report back on Monday after classes (boo) to give an update on if I am still dino free.

Edit: I just read through my post and the way it reads sounded kind of confusing to me. I hope you guys get the idea of what I'm trying to get across. Normally I would change it but I'm tired, nursing a hangover, and don't feel like it :)
 
Flavordsm said:
Well so far so good it doesn't look like I have any dinos in the tank. It has only been 2 days with the lights back on and light duration has been shortened to 4 hours. I will be kicking the lights back over to the full duration on Monday. I can say that my tank is wicked clear.. I mean I have always had a really clear tank but this clearness is a whole other league, and I haven't done a water change in a few months trying to starve these dinos out. I can't conclude if the peroxide killed my dino problem just because I'm not one to jump on a hot new cure quickly and don't like to proclaim them either. All I can say is I dosed peroxide for a week as well as doing 2 sets of 3 days lights out back to back and all livestock is still alive and my dinos seem to be gone.. I will report back on Monday after classes (boo) to give an update on if I am still dino free.

Edit: I just read through my post and the way it reads sounded kind of confusing to me. I hope you guys get the idea of what I'm trying to get across. Normally I would change it but I'm tired, nursing a hangover, and don't feel like it :)
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So all you did during this cycle was the no lights and dosed the H2O2? Just asking because you claim your not jumping on the bandwagon so to speak so I want to make sure you didn't do anything else other than these two things. I have been reading about this for 2 days now and this seems to be the one thing that pretty much everyone had success with and with no ill effects to livestock.
 
I'm a few day into my doing and it seems to be curbing it at least. I also siphoned out some nastyness that was on the sand bed, but have done nothing else out of the ordinary. Today I noticed a bit of a resurgence of dinos but it's still pretty early, so I won't try to draw any conclusions.
 
Fishcrazy06 said:
So all you did during this cycle was the no lights and dosed the H2O2? Just asking because you claim your not jumping on the bandwagon so to speak so I want to make sure you didn't do anything else other than these two things. I have been reading about this for 2 days now and this seems to be the one thing that pretty much everyone had success with and with no ill effects to livestock.
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Correct. I actually didn't even siphon out the dead/dying dinos. It has been a while since I've done a water change so I don't know if maybe they just starved themselves out at the same time I started dosing H2O2. All I can say is I tried a lot of stuff to try to get rid of them and now they have ,so far, seemed to died off (I will update again Monday when the lights are back on to my normal duration schedule)

In a way I did jump on the bandwagon by trying this because I have exhausted a lot of other things to try and get rid of my dinos. What I meant is that I'm not claiming this to be the magical cure all for dinos, more so just an experiment to see if it could help out. Could it be a cure? I don't think we have enough proof yet, but it has the possibility so far from others success.
 
Here is another question I have for everyone. How did you dose the tank? Squirt it in the tank itself? The sump? Around the most problem area?
 
I tried dosing with the actinics omly and it has not gone away or increased. I will be going lights out for the next three days and see if that has a better reaction. This is by far the toughest thing I have ever tried to get rid of! It would be fantastic to get a clear course that definately did the job!

Mike
 
I'm on my third day of dosing with the mh and actinics on. The dino's seem to be decreasing. I was expecting to see faster results but want to be patient. I'm also estimating actual water volume. With all the Lr in the tank it's hard to know actual displacement. Some before and after pic of those who prove this method successful would be a great idea.

Matt
 
I'm dosing directly into the tank. I fill a syringe to 4 mL with H2O2, draw in some water and squirt it right in.
 
Since my dino's were in the sand only (and some misc. rubble on the sand), I sucked all of the dino's I possibly could see - it ended up being about a full 5 gallon bucket full of sand when I was done. I drained the tank and caught my last 2 fish that I wanted out as well. Then, trying not to add any new water to the tank, I filled it back up using the old water, but I ran it through 2 socks to try to strain out as much gunk as I could. Lights out for the rest of the week (absolutely no livestock at this point), skimming wet, running a UV and dosing double the amount (1ml / 10 gallons 2x a day instead of 1x / day).

I'm thinking I won the battle - ;). I'll know after this weekend when I start running a normal light cycle and moving my corals back in the display. I'll probably keep a maintenance dosing schedule on the peroxide though.
 
Well here is my Monday update: No new growth of dinos.. none.

I don't know if I should contribute all of my success to H2O2 because I coupled the dosing with a lights out schedule. I can say, however, that I have done lights out before to no prevail.. So who knows? Maybe this was the time that pushed them over the edge, maybe they crashed on their own, or maybe the hydrogen peroxide worked. I can't say really..

I can say for sure, however, that I have seen no harmful effects on dosing it into the tank at the levels I dosed. Does that mean that someone else could dose it into the tank and have my same results, who knows? I have a sps tank and have no other nuisance algae and for some reason I couldn't get rid of these dinos..All I know is these dinos are finally gone after months of stress and I couldn't be happier right now.
 
Flavordsm said:
Well here is my Monday update: No new growth of dinos.. none.

I don't know if I should contribute all of my success to H2O2 because I coupled the dosing with a lights out schedule. I can say, however, that I have done lights out before to no prevail.. So who knows? Maybe this was the time that pushed them over the edge, maybe they crashed on their own, or maybe the hydrogen peroxide worked. I can't say really..

I can say for sure, however, that I have seen no harmful effects on dosing it into the tank at the levels I dosed. Does that mean that someone else could dose it into the tank and have my same results, who knows? I have a sps tank and have no other nuisance algae and for some reason I couldn't get rid of these dinos..All I know is these dinos are finally gone after months of stress and I couldn't be happier right now.
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hey bro where do you get your hydrogen peroxide? do you just buy it like at walmart or something? lol sorry for the stupid question
 
Wicked and everyone else, your info is truely appreciated. I'm going in the dark tonight. I top off with kalk already and going to add a teaspoon full of slurry several times a day to my sump to keep the ph elevated.

You peroxide dosers: I just tried a week of it even doubling the dosage to no avail. Dosing 16ml X twice a day and didn't make them retreat. One of us will get to the bottom of this. I will not let anything beat me. TAKE IT TO THE BANK :)
 
i wonder if the addition of hydrogen peroxide had anything to do with raising ORP. as before, im having the same battle. Ozone unit it coming on Wednesday to break down all the toxins.
 
I know ORP doesnt have a specific measurement, but rather a guideline for tank healthiness. Common cures for Dino's are high Ph and lights out period. Both of these I believe would raise ORP values than if the lights were on and lower Ph. Perhaps the cure to dino's are raising ORP values to strangle out dinos.
 
I have had a bit of a cyano and dino problem. Minor really. One central patch of dinos, maybe 3"x3".. A few spots with cyano. Namely on one powerhead (go figure), and a rock near an anemone.

I haven't gone lights out yet. I started running carbon and gfo in a reactor rather than a filter sock. I increased flow through the sump/return ~2x. I have continued weekly water changes, but do about 50% the volume I use to. I also clean the skimmer every 2 days, which seems to have helped it run better. I started topping off with kalk (2tsp with 15ml vinegar), and keeping ph between 8.2-8.4. I use to be between 8.0-8.2.

So far the cyano has melted away and isn't growing back so far. I have been siphoning off the dinos as the patch regenerates, they appear to be returning at a slower pace. I'll keep this up for another week or so and keep a close eye on it.

Unsure yet if I want to try the peroxide route.
 
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