Help finding old link relating cycling and fish

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12700783#post12700783 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hotwire73
k from the post before I showed 70 pounds lr, and 35 in the other tank so 105 pounds currently. But if all I use is the live rock in the new system isnt it going to go though a new cycle? Hate to start it and be stuck with a cycle. You said not to use sand due to ick, can ick survive or swim inside the lr and setup???

You are correct about the ich surviving but I was assuming the rock came from the clean tank so lets just tweak this a bit

If you use the 105 lbs of established live rock you tank will not go through much of a cycle providing you move the live rock from one tank right to the other as quick as you can.
From an earlier post I felt you were under the assumption that some filtration came from the water--this is not so--the bacteria live on and in the live rock--if they did not then they would be swept away and your tank would not be able to function biologically.

I recommended earlier that you cure the remaining live rock in a separate container but in the light of the ich I suggest you add it at the same time as you add the 105 pounds of live rock.
Then allow 4-6 weeks time to let your cycle cure

The 4-6 weeks will give you time to cure the ich on the fish in the quarantine tank.(one of the 55 gals)

These suggestions require close watch for ammonia spikes and then immediate water changes so have a good batch of salt water prepared just in case

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12700783#post12700783 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hotwire73

Also as before any recommendations to do to the existing tank, the puffer and powder blue still showing stress, and this is causing ick. Now I feel sure its from their stress and not from the tank since it wasnt there before. It seems even though they are very active and eating very well, there is still something stressing them that I am not understanding. The tank should not be over populated, and with all levels in check there is something Im not seeing. This is how my last total tank loss started. When I took the other two out and placed in the new setup before the ammonia shot off the rough evenone of them was doing better and no signs of ick outside the niger in the new tank, but he isnt showing anything now. So even though it doesnt seem to be over populated it somehow is, so what can I do until a new and larger system and can completed.

Don't second guess this one--if you see the ich then treat the ich--hyposalinate in one of the 55 gal tanks

here is a how to do that for you:

http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/hyposalinity.html

 

[hotwire73]

I believe I remember seeing something about inverts, and for some reason sharks. I do have a shark egg, I would assume he would fall under the same category as live. Thinking you need a refractometer or something like that since hydrometers like i got are only good for .010 anyway. If Im not mistaking they made a statement about a need for extreme accuracy in this as well. I have never preformed on of these yet and honestly, not really wanting to since you can kill them even faster with a mistake or dropping to low or not low enough and its ineffective to kill the parasite. I am still showing copper in the tank from the test, and thought its main job was to kill the parasites once they hatch or whatever they are doing on the bottom. Ill reread but I dont remember what to do for a feeding schedule while this is going on anywhere. As for the egg I cant even consider the newer tank, even though its 0 ammonia, the nitrites are 5.0 abd nitrates are 80. At least its moving along. This is also why I will need help on a successful hospital tank, I mean how do you set one up in an emergency and not kill him in the hospital when its going to cycle. Water changes even up to 50%, yes helps but its going to spike anyway. Local store isnt much for help they dont.
I did however get the new RO system finally installed, maybe that will make them happier than the city water with the stresszyme. My main local dealer that may have a tester for that hypo thing is only open tues, wed, thurs, 3-7; hes hard to get. So for tonight I will do a fresh water dip, 25% water change, and just monitor. I have been off since the 29th of May just to stay here and watch these guys, and I have to go back to work tomorrow or Ill lose my job. Family is POed about taking this much time off for a fish as it is. My angel died friday night late, really dont know what from, I did not see a single spot of ick on him. Water is testing completely normal the entire time, 0, 0, and 10. Powerhead is at the top, plenty of movement, but I didnt add an airline since I never heard anything else nor about other types of testing that may be needed. I went though a total system loss back in jan., feb.; and its started alot like this. This is why I started posting around a week ago, I know its very rare you hear of success once it gets really bad. So far there isnt a major problem but it does seem to be heading that way for another total loss. I will as soon as I can get the equipment, and if no improvement attempt a hyposalinty (spelling ?, but hey Im sure there's so many typos' it isnt even funny already). starting tuesday night. I will continue to read and try to find how much I need to modify their diets in the process. Sad thing is a dealer has another large radiatta, a large adult emp angel, and an xl clwon trigger. This is 3 of the primary 4 fish I wanted in my end tank design. Its so rare to find all of them together. But I have to look at what impatience in pushing bondaries has got me so far. So I know I cant. Please no more flames, if you flame at least answer a question. I do appreciate any suggestions, but do understand I as others have outside people and stores who give suggestions as well. We have to take what he have and make our own decisions, and god knows we make some terrible ones sometimes. Thanks for the patience.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12707428#post12707428 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hotwire73
I believe I remember seeing something about inverts, and for some reason sharks. I do have a shark egg, I would assume he would fall under the same category as live. Thinking you need a refractometer or something like that since hydrometers like i got are only good for .010 anyway. If Im not mistaking they made a statement about a need for extreme accuracy in this as well. I have never preformed on of these yet and honestly, not really wanting to since you can kill them even faster with a mistake or dropping to low or not low enough and its ineffective to kill the parasite. I am still showing copper in the tank from the test, and thought its main job was to kill the parasites once they hatch or whatever they are doing on the bottom. Ill reread but I dont remember what to do for a feeding schedule while this is going on anywhere. As for the egg I cant even consider the newer tank, even though its 0 ammonia, the nitrites are 5.0 abd nitrates are 80. At least its moving along. This is also why I will need help on a successful hospital tank, I mean how do you set one up in an emergency and not kill him in the hospital when its going to cycle. Water changes even up to 50%, yes helps but its going to spike anyway. Local store isnt much for help they dont.
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firstly invest 50 bucks in a good refractometer---you are right you do need the accuracy when lowering the salt level to 1.009
The internal level in the fish is 1.008 so there is no margin for mistake here

The tank that was used for copper treatment can be your hospital tank.
The live rock in there can't be used again in another tank so you might as well just use that tank the way it is and follow the steps for hyposalination in the article I gave you

 

[Aquarist007]

I did however get the new RO system finally installed, maybe that will make them happier than the city water with the stresszyme. My main local dealer that may have a tester for that hypo thing is only open tues, wed, thurs, 3-7; hes hard to get. So for tonight I will do a fresh water dip, 25% water change, and just monitor. I have been off since the 29th of May just to stay here and watch these guys, and I have to go back to work tomorrow or Ill lose my job. Family is POed about taking this much time off for a fish as it is. My angel died friday night late, really dont know what from, I did not see a single spot of ick on him. Water is testing completely normal the entire time, 0, 0, and 10. Powerhead is at the top, plenty of movement, but I didnt add an airline since I never heard anything else nor about other types of testing that may be needed. I went though a total system loss back in jan., feb.; and its started alot like this. This is why I started posting around a week ago, I know its very rare you hear of success once it gets really bad. So far there isnt a major problem but it does seem to be heading that way for another total loss. I will as soon as I can get the equipment, and if no improvement attempt a hyposalinty (spelling ?, but hey Im sure there's so many typos' it isnt even funny already). starting tuesday night. I will continue to read and try to find how much I need to modify their diets in the process. Sad thing is a dealer has another large radiatta, a large adult emp angel, and an xl clwon trigger. This is 3 of the primary 4 fish I wanted in my end tank design. Its so rare to find all of them together. But I have to look at what impatience in pushing bondaries has got me so far. So I know I cant. Please no more flames, if you flame at least answer a question. I do appreciate any suggestions, but do understand I as others have outside people and stores who give suggestions as well. We have to take what he have and make our own decisions, and god knows we make some terrible ones sometimes. Thanks for the patience. [/B]

sorry about your loss

we are moving forward hear and not looking back