Help id cucumber please

danjem

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hi i was recommend this site by a friend and was told you may be able to help me id this cucumber to be able to find a little bit more information out about it. We have just bought this today and was told that it would not relise toxins into our marine tank unless cut in our powerhead. We do have cages on all of our powerheads. thank you in advance jemma.

Here is the link the my photo bucket which has a picture in there... thank you again http://s469.photobucket.com/albums/rr57/groovybird_2008/
 
not sure i was told it was an ornamental cucumber at my LFS, feeds out of the water column not on poop like others...

there are some very smart invert peeps here who i am sure will help you properly id it..

BTW welcome to Reef Central
 
i believe it is a pentacta anceps, i had one, nice and healthy until i accidentally ripped it off the glass and killed it. It did nuke my tank, melted almost every coral i had, but the fish were fine, until they all disappeared a few days later. Just careful when removing it, dont want to rip off the legs like i did.
 
thank you very much for getting back to me ive been wondering about this all night. I can now look it up on the internet with its proper name because i have to say they is not many helpful site i could find. Any more information anyone can throw in wqould be greatful and thank you again NanoReefWanabe and friedoysterskin
 
It's pity, that Google no longer searches forums as well as it did before, there were some posts.

As was said, it is likely Pentacta anceps, but I have seen the pink Colochirus photos as well, very similar.

Mine died after tank crash, but it didn't released any toxins, corals in the same quarantine container were alive and recovered.

You will need to feed tank by variety of the very small foods, including (but not only) different phytoplankton, preferably continuous feeding or feed several times a day.

You can use any food, used for filter feeding sea cucumbers, or non-photosynthetic corals, fine polyped. Fauna Marin foods, small rotifers, smallest particles, left after washing frozen fish food, crushed flakes, soaked in enrichment (Selcon or Reef Plus), ESV dried phytoplankton, RotiFeast, powdered fry food, ZoPlan, Oyster eggs, Golden Pearls, MicroVert, and so on. I'm culturing live super small rotifers for another filter feeding cucumber - sea apple. Enriched by Shellfish Diet (~= PhytoFeast). Here is article, where ground fish food and baby brine was used.

It will "lick fingers". If it stopped, likely no more food is available, it's time to add more.

If you have the sump, and water changes do not affect water level in main tank, then it's OK, but if water changes affect water level - cucumber may be left exposed. I don't like that, and prefer add new water in the same time, as removing old water.

It should sit in the same place all the time. If not - you may need to protect in tank heaters (if you have them) by heater guards.

Try to keep water quality above average and use carbon, if you will have red cyano or something like that.

If you can, take photos to compare changes in appearance, without relying on memory.

Love this creature.
Good luck!
Pentacta_ancepsAug9.jpg
 
thank you dendro982, is that yours in the picture? if it is its quite big. Have you had it long? Ours is still quite small. Over the past day or two weve noticed the flower thing on the top coming out more. And thank you again for the information, weve tried looking on the internet again with its proper name and unfortunatly there still not much information on them.
 
Actually, it was quite small - as a thumb. Here its photo in 5 g tank:
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I had it for 4-5 months, until toxic tank crash and all Echinoderms (including stars) didn't make it, while Crustaceans were not affected at all. Strange.

But I have for 9 months another filter feeding cucumber, more sensitive and big - 6" without tentacles - sea apple, with the same care.

Filter feeding cucumbers are usually sitting in the same position at the top facing flow (<= 100 gph), prefer dissipated water stream (like power filters and Rio Nano skimmer provide) or more concentrated jet from powerhead if it barely brushes extended tentacles sideways. Only 1 of 3 FFC (one pink and two sea apples) was an exception, the exception is still facing the down flow.

Try do not expose cucumber to the air regularly, during water changes. I can't say, how risky it will be - didn't try, but if you search Wetwebmedia site for Pentacta name, it will show post of one guy, who did that and had decline, connected or not.

It is possible to remove sea cucumber from its place, carefully disconnecting its feet by fingers, but it will return at the same place.

In support of my observation of being safe, in case of not mechanically damaging death: link .

R. Toonen has 3 articles on different types of sea cucumbers, including filter feeders: Sea cucumbers - Part I: The Medusa Worms, Part II, Part III: Sea Apples. I couldn't possibly know, that you already know, so bear with me: when you will feed phytoplankton, especially live phytoplankton, feed not only nannochloropsis, but larger and different kinds, including diatoms. Bottled RotiFeast, Shellfish diet, ESV spray dried phytoplankton contain different sizes and species. PhytoPlan is different, larger.
My sea apple gave bad reaction (closed for a month) on DT Premium Reef Blend (live), but it may work for you.

And: another similar species, as I said, is Colochirus crassus. Can't say the difference (but if you find it, post it), but I have seen 2 different kinds of pink-green sea cucumber: fine with more intense colors:
PentactaclosedOct4.jpg

and paler large, meaty and generally crude in appearance. Could be different age, could be different species.

I kept mine (and keeping now sea apple) at SG 1.026, temperarure 76F - up to 82F in the middle of the summer, alkalinity on lower side (7.5-8.5 dKH), nitrates preferably below 10 ppm, phosphates below 0.25.

Watch first days, if other tank inhabitants bother it (chromis, percula, mandarin and scooter were safe).

I'm feeding variety of smallest foods available, including phytoplankton and live food, several times a day, aminoacids and vitamins. Including smallest particles from washing mysis, Marine Cuisine, blended seafood, crushed flakes (Formula Two). SS rotifers, frozen L rotifers may be - may be not - be too large. You will see if the water will be cleared from them. Tried Marine Snow and Reef Bugs, but stopped, when finished bottle. One reefer kept sea apple - 6-7" in size - for an year and counting, on Kent MicroVert, tablespoon twice a day, for 40g tank, with less rotifers and ChromaPlex phytoplankton (link). You also may try some dosing organic carbon, I did that, but not on regular basis.

For you should work whatever food is available, but in variety.

Feeding all tank, but there was described method of target feeding for FF cucumbers link.

HTH
 
I had a pair of those sea cucumbers years ago. I had them for about a year, before my tank crashed. I absolutely loved those things. I wish I could find a couple more. When I first got them, they moved around some. Once they found a spot on top of the pile of live rock in the tank, they didn't move much at all. If they did, they tended to stay on the live rock. It was a 75g I had mine in.

I found mine labeled as a "red and green sea cucumber". Try searching that.
 
Vallen513:
Can you post details on feeding (what, how much, how frequently) and anything that you think is important for keeping this sea cucumber?
Would really appreciate this. Still learning :p
 

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