Help, labout wrasse

[hairalgae85]

I received a labout wrasse from live aquaria today, drip.acclimated for two hours, freshwater dipped two hours with temp and pH adjusted RO water, placed him in display, and he's staying near top, just kinda gliding near surface. Seems unable to lower himself beneath the surface. Please help

 

[BigBlueTang]

I received a labout wrasse from live aquaria today, drip.acclimated for two hours, freshwater dipped two hours with temp and pH adjusted RO water, placed him in display, and he's staying near top, just kinda gliding near surface. Seems unable to lower himself beneath the surface. Please help

You kept him in freshwater for 2 hours? You're kidding right? FW dips are for 5 minutes. Another thing is that acclimation should only be a 15 minute temp acclimation in the bag and the released into the QT which has the salinity already set to the shipping bag. If you FW dipped the fish for 2 hours he's a goner.


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[BlackTip]

You should never drip acclimate mail ordered fish. The fish is extremely stressed from the capturing and the shipping process, then you put it is a fresh water for two hours. I am surprised that he is not already dead.

You just have to wait and pray for the fish to make it.

Please read more about the acclimation process, before your order any more livestock.

 

[albano]

you kept him in freshwater for 2 hours? You're kidding right? Fw dips are for 5 minutes. Another thing is that acclimation should only be a 15 minute temp acclimation in the bag and the released into the qt which has the salinity already set to the shipping bag. If you fw dipped the fish for 2 hours he's a goner.

+1...

 

[scooter31707]

On top of the ammonia after opening the bag.

 

[hairalgae85]

I was typing from my phone before, I see some errors slipped thru. I am now on computer.

My tank salinity is 1.025, the salinity of the bagged water was 1.020. PRIOR to opening the bag, I made 1.020 water , two inches deep in a ten gallon tank, temp adjusted to bag as well. Upon opening of bag, they were put into ten gallon tank, same salinity and temp.

I dripped for two hours, from my main tank, until it reached 1.025, temp was within one degree.

I dipped for two MINUTES, not two hours, my phone must have auto corrected.

I did this same procedure with a dejardini sailfin tang today, as well as a fire fish, who went in tank just fine, who also came with the labout from LA.

The labout is effortlessly coasting on top of water, no attempt to go down deeper.

 

[hairalgae85]

On top of the ammonia after opening the bag.

Upon opening, they immediately went into new water that had been mixing over 24 hours. No ammonia here.

 

[hairalgae85]

You should never drip acclimate mail ordered fish. The fish is extremely stressed from the capturing and the shipping process, then you put it is a fresh water for two hours. I am surprised that he is not already dead.

You just have to wait and pray for the fish to make it.

Please read more about the acclimation process, before your order any more livestock.

Oh no? Why do all lfs, and I mean all, drip acclimate wholesaled fish which guess what, come from quality marine (liveaquaria) Guess there wrong too. You should really not offer advice.

Do not tell me not to order anymore, I have been at this since the 90s, acclimated hundreds, just never had one with this issue.

 

[hairalgae85]

You kept him in freshwater for 2 hours? You're kidding right? FW dips are for 5 minutes. Another thing is that acclimation should only be a 15 minute temp acclimation in the bag and the released into the QT which has the salinity already set to the shipping bag. If you FW dipped the fish for 2 hours he's a goner.


Again, my apology, it was 2 minutes, not 2 hours. No QT here.

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[BlackTip]

Oh no? Why do all lfs, and I mean all, drip acclimate wholesaled fish which guess what, come from quality marine (liveaquaria) Guess there wrong too. You should really not offer advice.

Do not tell me not to order anymore, I have been at this since the 90s, acclimated hundreds, just never had one with this issue.

Again, you need to read more about the acclimation process for mail-ordered fish. Your ignorance and arrogance are shown. Good luck, because you need it.

 

[scooter31707]

Oh no? Why do all lfs, and I mean all, drip acclimate wholesaled fish which guess what, come from quality marine (liveaquaria) Guess there wrong too. You should really not offer advice.

Do not tell me not to order anymore, I have been at this since the 90s, acclimated hundreds, just never had one with this issue.

My LFS don't, I don't. A lot of reefers up here don't.

 

[albano]

You should never drip acclimate mail ordered fish. The fish is extremely stressed from the capturing and the shipping process...

Not sure where that advice comes from... myself, my friends and most LFSs that I'm aware of all drip acclimate...without problems

 

[heuerfan]

I've been in the hobby since 2003 and dripped acclimated all my fish for various amount of time. First thing I do is check the salinity of the water in the bag. A lot of the times the salinity from my LFS are at 1.015 or lower, most of my tanks are at 1.025. This requires me to drip as long as it takes to match, and sometimes that means over 6 hours slow drip depending on the type of fish. Have yet to lose a fish doing this.

A lot of bad advice i've been reading on RC lately......

Just my 2 cents

 

[BlackTip]

Not sure where that advice comes from... myself, my friends and most LFSs that I'm aware of all drip acclimate...without problems

For your reference: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1959576

Plenty more resources and details can be found, if you are interested.

 

[heuerfan]

Seems unable to lower himself beneath the surface. Please help

How is your labout now? Perhaps it was just stressed and that is the reason.

 

[heuerfan]

For your reference: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1959576

Plenty more resources and details can be found, if you are interested.

Most people do not buy fish that have been in a bag for 48 hours........

Not saying I disagree with the reason why the fish died, obviously because of ammonia. I've ordered from liveaquaria many times and fish always arrived to me next day less than 24 hours.

 

[snorvich]

You should never drip acclimate mail ordered fish. The fish is extremely stressed from the capturing and the shipping process, then you put it is a fresh water for two hours. I am surprised that he is not already dead.

This

 

[hairalgae85]

Again, you need to read more about the acclimation process for mail-ordered fish. Your ignorance and arrogance are shown. Good luck, because you need it.

Ignorance and arrogance.....would you like me to upload the instructions that LA sends with their shipment? It states right on there, pour contents in bucket, drip to raise salinity, and in they go. I did one better than that, I swapped out the water they came with, for new water with same paramaters that were in the bag.

But while were at it, why don't you outline the process for mail-ordered fish? Lets see what secrets you are hiding from the rest of us...

 

[hairalgae85]

This

That. There.

How else do you raise salinity, 5 thousandths other than just floating and dropping? Ammonia a concern? Good because I swapped out the bagged water with new, matching water. No ammonia.

I know you are going to tell me to make QT the same salinity, well I did, the bucket I used for 2 hours for the acclimation process. That is the closest I will ever come to quarantining anything.

 

[hairalgae85]

I've been in the hobby since 2003 and dripped acclimated all my fish for various amount of time. First thing I do is check the salinity of the water in the bag. A lot of the times the salinity from my LFS are at 1.015 or lower, most of my tanks are at 1.025. This requires me to drip as long as it takes to match, and sometimes that means over 6 hours slow drip depending on the type of fish. Have yet to lose a fish doing this.

A lot of bad advice i've been reading on RC lately......

Just my 2 cents

I concur. if its a big difference, I will wait hours for it to come up to 1.025. Water temp falling in bucket? No problem, 25 watt heater...oxygen? air stone.

I was told various times to stay off this sight, from owners of wholesales, reputable LFS, as well as a avian vet who tinkers in the reef hobby. Oh, and most if not all, the "big name" frag growers who everyone pays handsomely. A couple, no names mentioned, have said to steer clear of here for its advice. Any clown can list advice.