Help me apex salinity probe please!

Reeferparty

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Trying to calibrate my salinity probe right. Used neptunes 53 calibration fluid from BRS and followed their how to video. I have a temp probe connected directly to the PM2 module and set temp comp to 2.2. The salinity probe after completing calibration shows as 34.8ppt on my apex display but once I put it into my sump it reads 27.6ppt. My salinity measured using a refractometer reads 1.025


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However I haven't calibrated my refractometer since I got it back in October..perhaps that could be the problem?


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Did you soak the packet in your water so you calibrated it at the same temperature of your water? Also i read in the past if the probe is around a lot of cord and electrical equipment it can cause interference giving you inaccurate readings.
 
Trying to calibrate my salinity probe right. Used neptunes 53 calibration fluid from BRS and followed their how to video. I have a temp probe connected directly to the PM2 module and set temp comp to 2.2. The salinity probe after completing calibration shows as 34.8ppt on my apex display but once I put it into my sump it reads 27.6ppt. My salinity measured using a refractometer reads 1.025


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Stick both the Apex temp probe AND the Apex Salinity probe in the calibration fluid at the same time. I had the same problem. This fixed it.
 
i personally would stick the salinity probe into the garbage. i haven't read much to support their reliability and as i've read regarding apex probes, people seem to get lazy doing proper tests when they have a digital screen telling them consistantly... even if it is reading incorrectly.
 
I discovered recently that the apex salinity probe is very sensitive to air bubbles, both in situ and when calibrating. Also, make sure the calibrations solution is not expired. When calibrating, swish the probe around a bit to ensure no bubbles. And make sure you save the new settings on the apex.

Calibrate your refractometer to get a proper reference from your tank. If it is 1.025, you can also use tank water as your calibrations solution (that's what I did).
 
i personally would stick the salinity probe into the garbage. i haven't read much to support their reliability and as i've read regarding apex probes, people seem to get lazy doing proper tests when they have a digital screen telling them consistantly... even if it is reading incorrectly.

I have the Apex probe. I also have the Milwaukee digital refractometer. I double check the Apex with the Milwaukee intermittently. Since original calibration 5 months ago, the Apex and the Milwaukee still read pretty well exactly the same numbers.

Many of those "proper" test also read incorrectly...and there is of course always the human error aspect. I'll take the digital screen, with the occasional double check.
 
The salinity probe is generally misused. To start, its main purpose is to show you changes in salinity. Not tell you actual salinity per se. The salinity probe will usually not show the same salinity as a refractometer. Which is also normal. That's because they do not measure salinity in the same manner. (Refraction vs conductivity). What you want is a consistent number and you want to know if there is a sudden large swing.
 
Trying to calibrate my salinity probe right. Used neptunes 53 calibration fluid from BRS and followed their how to video. I have a temp probe connected directly to the PM2 module and set temp comp to 2.2. The salinity probe after completing calibration shows as 34.8ppt on my apex display but once I put it into my sump it reads 27.6ppt. My salinity measured using a refractometer reads 1.025


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I bet you have air bubbles in it. The design is really poor and the hole for releasing bubbles will not. I would get the probe upside down under water and shake it out well, then put it in the holder while still under water. Air gets trapped inside just by virtue of putting the probe straight down into the water and doesn't come out. Trust me, I pulled my hair out with that thing until I realized this. Rock solid and dependable ever since.

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I bet you have air bubbles in it. The design is really poor and the hole for releasing bubbles will not. I would get the probe upside down under water and shake it out well, then put it in the holder while still under water. Air gets trapped inside just by virtue of putting the probe straight down into the water and doesn't come out. Trust me, I pulled my hair out with that thing until I realized this. Rock solid and dependable ever since.

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Ok I'll give that a try. I don't have a probe holder yet; it's just sitting in the sump return chamber. Also going to recalibrate my refractometer and cross reference again.


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The salinity probe is generally misused. To start, its main purpose is to show you changes in salinity. Not tell you actual salinity per se. The salinity probe will usually not show the same salinity as a refractometer. Which is also normal. That's because they do not measure salinity in the same manner. (Refraction vs conductivity). What you want is a consistent number and you want to know if there is a sudden large swing.

+1 to that. I gave up on trying to get it to read the same as refractometer. Now, I just use it to monitor consistency, and look for obvious sudden changes. Otherwise, i check with refractometer during routine maintenance for more accurate measurement.
 
i personally would stick the salinity probe into the garbage. i haven't read much to support their reliability and as i've read regarding apex probes, people seem to get lazy doing proper tests when they have a digital screen telling them consistantly... even if it is reading incorrectly.

Terrible advice! LOL.. If you ever do that, PLEASE send it to me before throwing it away. I've been using them since they were first released and they have always pretty much been spot on for me when compared to my refractometers. I've also installed plenty of them on other tanks and NEVER had a single issue with them! Not once and they are always pretty darn accurate.

A couple comments for the OP. First, you should leave the probe in the tank for several days before calibration. As mentioned above, placing the temp probe in the calibration solution when you do the calibration is very help. I just soak the packets in my sump for several minutes before calibrating. I place the calibration packet in a glass of tank water during calibration being careful not to get tank water in the solution. This insures the calibration solution stays the same temp as the tank water and eliminates the need to place the temp probe in the solution. FWIW, if the cal solution isn't the same temp as the tank water, the temp probe should be in the cal solution otherwise temp compensation will be off and the salinity reading will be wrong.

The CondX probe should always be placed in a dark area of the sump devoid of micro bubbles. Dark is so algae doesn't grow on the probe. This goes for all probes as air and or algae will effect their accuracy. Soaking it for several days before calibrating helps insure the probe is somewhat broken in. These probes are shipped dry. How important soaking is may be debatable but I have found better initial accuracy after calibration when this is done. Lastly, never run probe wires parallel to power cords. Keep them away from pumps too.

As for your refractometer, calibrations should be verified regularly. Some refractomters hold calibration very well while others loose calibration very quickly. I also suggest keeping the refractometer at room temp and having the refractometer calibration solution at the same temp as the tank water for best accuracy. Always be sure to use cal solution designed for refractometer use and 53000ms cal solution designed for probes. They are typically 2 different types of solutions for different uses. That said, your refractometer is likely way off if its been that long since you calibrated it.


As other said, the salinity probe should not be used as the only point for salinity checking. It should be used for trends, warnings and failsafes. A properly calibrated refractometer should be your number one tool for verifying sanity.
 
Terrible advice! LOL.. If you ever do that, PLEASE send it to me before throwing it away. I've been using them since they were first released and they have always pretty much been spot on for me when compared to my refractometers. I've also installed plenty of them on other tanks and NEVER had a single issue with them! Not once and they are always pretty darn accurate.

A couple comments for the OP. First, you should leave the probe in the tank for several days before calibration. As mentioned above, placing the temp probe in the calibration solution when you do the calibration is very help. I just soak the packets in my sump for several minutes before calibrating. I place the calibration packet in a glass of tank water during calibration being careful not to get tank water in the solution. This insures the calibration solution stays the same temp as the tank water and eliminates the need to place the temp probe in the solution. FWIW, if the cal solution isn't the same temp as the tank water, the temp probe should be in the cal solution otherwise temp compensation will be off and the salinity reading will be wrong.

The CondX probe should always be placed in a dark area of the sump devoid of micro bubbles. Dark is so algae doesn't grow on the probe. This goes for all probes as air and or algae will effect their accuracy. Soaking it for several days before calibrating helps insure the probe is somewhat broken in. These probes are shipped dry. How important soaking is may be debatable but I have found better initial accuracy after calibration when this is done. Lastly, never run probe wires parallel to power cords. Keep them away from pumps too.

As for your refractometer, calibrations should be verified regularly. Some refractomters hold calibration very well while others loose calibration very quickly. I also suggest keeping the refractometer at room temp and having the refractometer calibration solution at the same temp as the tank water for best accuracy. Always be sure to use cal solution designed for refractometer use and 53000ms cal solution designed for probes. They are typically 2 different types of solutions for different uses. That said, your refractometer is likely way off if its been that long since you calibrated it.


As other said, the salinity probe should not be used as the only point for salinity checking. It should be used for trends, warnings and failsafes. A properly calibrated refractometer should be your number one tool for verifying sanity.



Thank you sir! I calibrated as per BRS video by temp acclimating solution in sump first. And also I purchased the probe used which I ran for a few weeks in sump prior to calibrating. I just purchased a probe holder and will isolate the probe from power chords and etc; I probably need to find a better area of the sump to keep the probe. It's currently placed near my ato input which I image will throw off the measurement a bit


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