Help me set up a quarantine tank

[fishmon]

whew, good points everyone. I believe in the use of a QT if you are shipping in fish, or if your buying from a LFS you don't trust. I don't care what they say, 98.9% of all the online/mailorder fish stores get in fish/coral one day only to ship out the next. These fish have no time to "rest" Most people don't stop to think that the fish they are putting in their aquariums were flown from the other side of the world in the most minute amount of water possible to save on freight, not fed before shipment to save on waste in the bags, the majority are received in California where the bags are re-oxyginated then sent on there way to the supplier arriving in water with a PH of 6ish. Dumped into vats with all the other fish that were in the boxes and started into the "aclimation process" which varies from person to person. This is one heck of a trip for these poor fish, and I believe that proper aclimation is the key to healthy fish. I only buy from very few distributors and tranship once and a while directly from the country of origin. There are hundreds of distributors to buy fish from but its like your LFS, I have been dealing with this select bunch for years and the always provide me w/ healthy livestock, sure once and a while something goes wrong, nobody is perfect, but I like to find people that are as close as possible. My point in this long rant, yes there is a point, back up tanks are good to have, be it a quarantine or a hospital, but if your buying from a trusted LFS, though you may pay a little more sometimes, the benefit of them holding the fish for you to confirm it is a healthy, eating and properly aclimated animal is worth its weight in gold. If your LFS keeps the fish for a bit to make sure they are healthy there is no need to further stress the fish by putting it through 2 more aclimations. I personally won't sell a fish to someone if its not eating or up to my standards unless the customer wants to try it anyway, better for the customer if the fish dies in my hands if it is indeed going to die than in theirs. And I'm not even touchin the UV button

 

[WVfishguy]

It's always amazed me what fish go through to finally arrive at the LFS. Decades ago (before a lot of you folks were born) I would drive to the Tri-State Airport to pick up fish, half frozen, bags half empty, or, worse, they would end up in Pittsburgh somehow. It's one of the reasons I never got a fish shop. It's just incredible we ever see any live fish at all.

Sorry, Jimbo, but unless I get fish from God himself, I'm going to quarantine. Maybe even then. A good quarantine tank is not stressful - it's just an aquarium without other fish. Simply making sure the fish is "healthy, eating and properly acclimated" is not a substitute for quarantine.

 

[phljess]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8709475#post8709475 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WVfishguy
Actually, I currently have a Rabbitfish which had ich pretty bad. After about two weeks, it's now cured. I used no meds, just put it in a quarantine tank with UV.

Admittedly, Rabbits are tough critters.

UV and meds seem to do the same thing, just in different ways. Both kill free-swimming parasites. The more I think about it, the less I like chemicals and the more I like UV. But I would not run UV on my display tanks with inverts UNLESS there was a disease outbreak. Even then I'd stop after the disease was gone.

I'd like to hear from people who use ozone. I don't know squat about that.

Was the Rabbit Fish eating when you quarantined it? I believe many fish can recover from ich if they will eat. I especially like mixing garlic with their food.

I would also like to know more about Ozone. I have pondered using it in my tank but I am afraid of its effect on small invertebrates and air quality in the house. I know it can really help to drawl some nasty stuff out of water. The only person I know that uses it is Jason.

Has any one ever heard of using a magnet to polish water?

 

[firefish2020]

If the disease has no way of entering the tank (meaning you QT the fish for 6 weeks so that it has nothing to feed on), then the display remains healthy and can thrive. Like Joy is saying, they serve many purposes other than just hospital or QT

Your going to get a parasitical infection one way or the other one day your job is to prepare for it with as much amo (information good or bad) you can get and find something that works. I remember when I got my devil fish (blue hippo destroyer of reefs), anyway I QTd the fish for over a month at the shop in a separate isolated tank, I was warned by Barry and I knew the risks but I wanted one (for some reason). It did great never a sign of ich in QT. About a week or so after putting it into my system at home guess what happened? It broke out, hippos and other tangs are ich magnets learn to take care of the situation in a way that works for you. I put a total of 28 watts UV on the tank which cleared it up in a matter of days. After that just to be safe I fed garlic soaked nori at any sign of stress.

I agree 100% with what Fishmon said, get to know your LFSs, most will tell you how they acclimate your fish and what you should do to minimize any problems. You will find there are places that order from random sources (whoever is the cheapest this week etc) and there are places that KNOW where there livestock comes from because they have used the same source for years and don't mind paying a bit more to insure the health of there stock. Those are the places I would suggest you stick to, but that's entirely up to you.


Im through giving advice on this topic, as I said it's all based on observations and experience and I don't doubt that WVfishguy has his own experience and opinions about the topic. Who is right and who is wrong? Everyone, nobody, it all depends on what works for you.

But Phil I believe your lack of success with UVs is an isolated event that was obviously caused by you not properly understanding the function and operation of the device in question.

You Bannana headed moron.

 

[phljess]

I am glad you guys were able to persuade me into buying a UV sterilizer. I have ordered an 8000 watt unit, with nextday air shipping. It should be here tomorrow and I will let everyone know how well it works to irradicate the non-existant ich I have in my tank.

BTW, does anyone have some extra work I can do to pay for the unit? I had to get a home equity line of credit to purchase this monster.

 

[mcox33]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8711950#post8711950 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phljess
I am glad you guys were able to persuade me into buying a UV sterilizer. I have ordered an 8000 watt unit, with nextday air shipping. It should be here tomorrow and I will let everyone know how well it works to irradicate the non-existant ich I have in my tank.

BTW, does anyone have some extra work I can do to pay for the unit? I had to get a home equity line of credit to purchase this monster.

LOL

 

[WVfishguy]

I don't use UV filtration anymore. I now use a Mag 24 to pump water through a highly-modified 1200 watt microwave oven. This water then goes through a series of ruby crystal lasers, and then is filtered through a 6" bed of plutonium (I recommend the Russian plutonium. The Chinese stuff is cheaper, but not as good.) This is aerated with my own blend of ozone and saran gas, irradiated by gamma rays (the gamma ray generator was hard to adjust, as the instructions were written in Estonian) and filtered through coconut carbon. I don't know if it kills germs or not, but my house plants turned a bright shade of magenta and I have grown a third arm.
My Visa card is overdrawn by $600,000, but if it saves a $40 fish, it's worth it.
By the way, this is a simplified version of one of Jason's projects.

 

[jmccown]

HA! you should have bought the Jebo version Phil, it would have been 1/3rd of the price, lol.

 

[mcox33]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8712392#post8712392 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WVfishguy
I don't use UV filtration anymore. I now use a Mag 24 to pump water through a highly-modified 1200 watt microwave oven. This water then goes through a series of ruby crystal lasers, and then is filtered through a 6" bed of plutonium (I recommend the Russian plutonium. The Chinese stuff is cheaper, but not as good.) This is aerated with my own blend of ozone and saran gas, irradiated by gamma rays (the gamma ray generator was hard to adjust, as the instructions were written in Estonian) and filtered through coconut carbon. I don't know if it kills germs or not, but my house plants turned a bright shade of magenta and I have grown a third arm.
My Visa card is overdrawn by $600,000, but if it saves a $40 fish, it's worth it.
By the way, this is a simplified version of one of Jason's projects.

I'll bet that Third Arm comes in handy in your line of business. Might want to grow a Fourth Though. I know so often when I am messing around with my tanks, I wish I had another arm or two.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8712392#post8712392 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmccowen

HA! you should have bought the Jebo version Phil, it would have been 1/3rd of the price, lol.

Hey Jebo is a good Product AND Saves us Money for Fish and Coral. LOL

 

[coralreefer]

I'd like to hear from people who use ozone. I don't know squat about that.

I would also like to know more about Ozone. I have pondered using it in my tank but I am afraid of its effect on small invertebrates and air quality in the house. I know it can really help to drawl some nasty stuff out of water. The only person I know that uses it is Jason.

I use ozone. Ya'll want to start a new thread and discuss it?

Has any one ever heard of using a magnet to polish water?

Do a search for Eco Aqualizer. :lol: :lol:

 

[firefish2020]

I have actually been toying with an idea much like the Eco Aqualizer. In it I was planning to subject a small test tank (dirty water) to an enormous magnetic field. There was a slight issue however as the machine (hand built) was fired up. It caused a massive power surge on the first attempt knocking out the power to the house and some strange effect were noticed such as glowing orbs of light emanating from the coils. Anyway on attempt 2 the field surged and quickly magnetized a 2.5 Lb hammer which came rushing at the system from several feet away slamming into to it and obliterating the hard work and the test tank (empty). I was planning to try it again till I realized I almost created a localized EMP and the neighbors were not to happy with my voodoo science anymore so I rebuilt it into a handy dandy popcorn popper so it can't hurt anyone anymore.

Hey Jebo is a good Product AND Saves us Money for Fish and Coral. LOL

Not when you have to replace that crap with the real product eventually, then you have to spend more.


Happy Holidays







BTW(don't be stupid enough to try any of the above comments unless you are a certified lunatic)

 

[phljess]

Got my 8000 watt UV today. But the bulb was broken through the shipping process. Does anyone have a spare I could borrow?

 

[phljess]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8713510#post8713510 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by coralreefer
I use ozone. Ya'll want to start a new thread and discuss it?

Sounds like a good idea.

 

[fishmon]

Why start a new thread, we have a perfectly good hyjacked one right here!!!!!

 

[mcox33]

LOL

 

[coralreefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8715914#post8715914 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishmon
Why start a new thread, we have a perfectly good hyjacked one right here!!!!!

:uzi: :uzi: :uzi:

I don't know if Phil or Terry have seen this thread from Calfo's old forum. Ozone Use

 

[WVfishguy]

Thank you, Amy. I spent the morning reading all eight pages of Calfo's thread. No need to start another. My head hurts, but it was worth it.

 

[coralreefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8719861#post8719861 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WVfishguy
My head hurts, but it was worth it.

I felt the same way when I read it last year.

 

[phljess]

Hey, atleast someone agrees with me on UV.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6077196#post6077196 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Anthony Calfo
ozone for most folks (home and public aquaria).... UV only for bare-bottomed commercial installations (its the only place they can be of any good use/value IMO due to their limitations of efficacy based on strict installation and water pre-treatment requirements which I have outlined in detailin this forum/the archives if anyone cares to delve further)

 

[firefish2020]

Everyone has an opinion on UVs just like lighting and DSB, as long as some see results and others see none there will be continued debates, arguments, and general bickering over these subjects. IF it works for you great, if it does'nt then leave those alone that it is working for.