Help! My powder blue tang has a bubble in one eye!

Aqua Pharm Pro Series Cure Ich Good or Bad

Aqua Pharm Pro Series Cure Ich Good or Bad

Have anyone else ever used Aqua Pharm Pro Series Cure Ich? It is DT safe, but does it solve my ick problem? It was recommended today by my LFS. I bought it but don't intend to use it unless I get some positive remarks. Otherwise, I'll take it back.
 
Good info Slief. You must be an expert!

I've been in the hobby for about 27 years now and learned of lot of lessons over that time. Fortunately, I've only had a couple major issues during that time. While I am not bummed about not keeping hippo's the powder blues are one that I really like but because of their sensitivity to ich, I've avoided them since my last ich outbreak 4 years ago. When it happened, I had a really healthy and thriving reef with 40+ fish in my 500 gallon display. I did a major water change of about 100 gallons and forgot to check the water temps of my new water. More over, I forgot to heat it. The water change resulted in 4-5 degree temp drop over the course of about 30 minutes. A few days later the powder blue broke out in a bad case of ich. Within a day or two of that, one fish after the other broke out. Given the size of my display and the amount rock in it, capturing and QT'ing fish was not an option. My only option was to use reef safe ich remedies, lowered salinity (I couldn't go hypo because of my coral), increased water temp, garlic supplement, UV sterilization on very slow flow, increased O2 into the water, etc. Nothing helped. In the end, I lost 60-70% of my livestock which was heartbreaking. Especially because some of those fish were with me for several years and many of them were regular breeders.

The lessons I took away from it were as follows. First and foremost, be very cognizant of the water temps when you do a major water change.. It's well known that rapid temp changes are most often the root cause for ich outbreaks. Avoid certain tangs. While that isn't a concrete way in avoiding ich, certain tangs like hippos and powder blue and powder brown tangs seem to be more susceptible to breaking in ich. With those species, it doesn't take much. Even a little stress caused by an aggressive fish can trigger it.

Many here say that with proper QT'ing and a fallow tank, ich can be avoided 100%. I'm not a believer in that theory. In my opinion, even it that were possible, with corals coming into our tanks, live rock etc, eventually ich will be introduced into the water. That's not to say the fish will break out in it but it's presence is almost a certainty at some point regardless of it being visible. The key in my book to avoiding breakouts is avoiding temp changes, not introducing fish that are prone to breaking out and keeping stress levels down in the tank. The latter can only be done by not overstocking a tank, not keeping too large of a fish in a display that isn't appropriately sized and not introducing aggressive fish or at least removing any aggressive fish.

Like I said, I've been keeping salt water fish for 27 years now. In the last 20 or so years since I got my 500 gallon display, I've only had 1 ich outbreak and that one was completely avoidable. I never went fallow after that outbreak and I began restocking my fish within 4 weeks of the last signs of ich on the remaining fish. I was careful as to which fish were introduced first and made sure to avoid certain varieties. It's been four years since then. Now I have upwards of 70 fish in my display and I've never had a reoccurrence and I don't plan to either. But it kills me because I really love powder blues and it's terribly difficult for me not to tempt fate.
 
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Have anyone else ever used Aqua Pharm Pro Series Cure Ich? It is DT safe, but does it solve my ick problem? It was recommended today by my LFS. I bought it but don't intend to use it unless I get some positive remarks. Otherwise, I'll take it back.

If you want to cure ich, get yourself some cupramine and a copper test kit and treat your QT tank with the fish in it. I suggest using Seachem product for that. Follow their directions to the T. If you want to deviate, than start with a half dose followed by a full dose. That is the one and only proven cure/treatment for ich in my experience. It is not reef safe and there are absolutely no reef safe ich cures. Not Kick Ich, not Medic, not Aquapharm Pro or anything else. Not even UV as that will only eradicate ich in it's free floating stage that makes it through the UV before it settles into the substrate which will not be all the ich in the tank.

The other methods that can be effective such as tank transfer method has proven effective for many as has hypo salinity. While many like the tank transfer method, I feel that 100% water changes let alone moving a fish from tank to tank can also be stressful on the fish so take that with a grain of salt. Hypo works as well but changing salinity needs to be a very gradual thing and it's a very slow process. Copper on the other hand works great and relatively quickly but certain fish like some butterfly's can be sensitive to it. This is one reason why I would work the doses up to therapeutic levels gradually by starting with a half dose. The key is having a copper test kit at your disposal as you need to reach therapeutic levels and you don't want to exceed those levels.
 
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Have anyone else ever used Aqua Pharm Pro Series Cure Ich? It is DT safe, but does it solve my ick problem? It was recommended today by my LFS. I bought it but don't intend to use it unless I get some positive remarks. Otherwise, I'll take it back.

FWIW, a quick google search yields nothing positive on any forums about that stuff. I wouldn't waste any time with it and wouldn't risk using it.
 
It's not 100% but it can help.

UV can kill anything if it is high enough intensity. However, many people use units that are not very strong. Also, only water that passes through the unit gets zapped, so not all the water is treated. Also, the glass in the chamber has to been cleaned often, or the kill rate will go down quickly. So, yes, UV is a good sterilizer, but in reef tanks it works better for water clarity (kills algae) than to kill parasites.
 
Oh my! I can't imagine the agony you went through during the time of ick attack Slief. That was nothing less than a disaster and I feel for you. You stated Very good comment about keeping ICK under control and I really appreciate your effort. I believe you are right about the uncommon information.

One of these comments is avoiding Hippos and Powder Blues, but this is my dilemma. I have had the Hippo for a year and half and it has grown from an inch and half to over four inches and it is healthy. Not only am I attached to it, but also I have no chance of selling both tangs because that contradicts with my LFS policy. So now I am stuck and must find a way out.
 
Ginger to Cure ICK?!!

Ginger to Cure ICK?!!

I have done an intensive reading on a thread stating the use of Ginger to cure ICK with success.

It states this as a magical solution and I am willing to give it a try. I have a wave of minor ICK with the Hippo right now and I am hoping this would make a change. From what I understand, Ginger makes fish resistive to ICK even though it is present in thank. You never know. Also someone cured Popeye with Ginger so I am going to try it on both DT and QT, I will keep everyone posted.

Oh I almost forgot! I am definitely taking back the Aquapharm Cure ICK medication.

Mark

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showt...1818&perpage=25&highlight=ginger&pagenumber=1.
 
UV can kill anything if it is high enough intensity. However, many people use units that are not very strong. Also, only water that passes through the unit gets zapped, so not all the water is treated. Also, the glass in the chamber has to been cleaned often, or the kill rate will go down quickly. So, yes, UV is a good sterilizer, but in reef tanks it works better for water clarity (kills algae) than to kill parasites.

Thanks for the info Mike.

I always wondered! Is there a formula relating UV intensity to water flow rate? This means, how many liters/hour should the flow rate be through the UV sterilizer for each Watt of power for optimal sterilization? So if the UV sterilizer is 13 Watts, What would be the maximum flow rate for successful sterilization? Wow, I asked the same question three times!!! Hope this doesn't bother anyone. :rollface:
 
this as a magical solution

yeah, good luck with that. don't you think that, if ginger was the almighty cure for ich, it would be shouted from the rooftops of every hobbyist on the planet?

if it sounds too good to be true.....
 
yeah, good luck with that. don't you think that, if ginger was the almighty cure for ich, it would be shouted from the rooftops of every hobbyist on the planet?

if it sounds too good to be true.....

+1.. There are no magical cures. Pop Eye also almost always cures itself so that is nothing more than a coincidence.

Ginger on the other hand shouldn't hurt anything so it's worth trying but minor cases of ich tend to go away on their own with certain fish so keep than in mind if you get any positive results.
 
I hear you Nina. It does sound too good to be true! Though I'm desperate and willing to try any unproven remedy, it really doesn't hurt to try Ginger. I've had great success with home-made Garlic extract to boost immunity, even better than the factory-made ones. I have already used Ginger once today and will continue for the next few days. I want to unravel the hidden truth about Ginger and I will post my test results regardless of the outcome.

Mark
 
+1.. There are no magical cures. Pop Eye also almost always cures itself so that is nothing more than a coincidence.

Ginger on the other hand shouldn't hurt anything so it's worth trying but minor cases of ich tend to go away on their own with certain fish so keep than in mind if you get any positive results.

Update: the powder blue tang eye bubble seems to have improved a bit. Hold Your Horses. I noticed that prior to the Ginger feeding so it can't get the credit for the improvement. It could have been the Epsom salt or it could have just started to cure on its own as Slief predicted before.

So I will continue the Ginger in the DT and let everyone know. I understand that I can't say that Ginger would be the real reason for any success, but if it does cure the Hippo and then I add the PBT to the DT and get no ICK outbreak, then I can conclude that it did actually work. Don't you think?

Mark
 
Powder Blue Tang right eye bubble improved and Hippo Tang with Minor ICK outbreak
 

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Just a quick update everyone.

The powder blue tang eye bubble remains the same not better or worse. I will let time deal with it as Slief suggested. It is still in quarantine tank.

The hippo tang ick still did not go away but I noticed no more new spots appearing. This means that with time ick will disappear hopefully. I will continue with Ginger feeding as planned. I never seen my hippo ick free. There was always a couple of spots here and there and sometimes it will be infested with a couple of dozens.

On a side note: my hippo is a weirdo. It likes to eat small chunks of Ginger!
 
Hi all. Another quick update. Eye is getting better but there is a clear small bubble inside there. Ich still persists so ginger did not help. I read about CP (Chloroquine Phosphate)and how it is suitable to fish only tanks. Does anybody have experience with it?
 
Hi all. Another quick update. Eye is getting better but there is a clear small bubble inside there. Ich still persists so ginger did not help. I read about CP (Chloroquine Phosphate)and how it is suitable to fish only tanks. Does anybody have experience with it?

Glad to hear the bubble is getting better. The small clear bubble will go away on its own too. It's just a bi-product of the initial bubble and the result of the remaining gas. It may take a week or two to completely clear up and it may even come back for a short while after that but with time, good feeding and minimal stress, it will go away on it's own completely.

Can't help you with the Chloroquine.. Copper is the best proven solution for ich that I know works with great success. Of course that requires QT..
 
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