i know, im glad i got the problem fixed,and i got a laugh out of some of the answers,and its good to see we all have a sense of humor,and Dave your answer was the most helpful to me, i think you may have took that the wrong way, i was just letting mako know that sometimes we pick fun at other members that way that's all, im glad my thread got so many replies, its fun to see the members give each other flack, most of the time that's what keeps the thread going, i like to see who's going to come back with one better, we get a lot of non members and members from other boards saying they really like how we carry on with each other, and wish their club was that relaxed,