Herbie overflow question

[fftfk]

I'm setting up my tank with a herbie overflow. I see some setups with a u-shaped pipe on both the main drain and emergency drain. What are the purposes of these pipes?

I've been using this as my guide:
http://gmacreef.com/herbie-overflow-reef-tank-plumbing-method-basics/
It does not use u-shaped pipes.

Are the u-shaped pipes better? Quite? Etc? I was going to set my overflow up without them with the emergency drain being about 6 inch's taller than the main drain.

Thanks for any responses.

 

[victorvie]

The main purpose of the U shape pipe is the main reason for going with the herbie overflow is to keep the noise level down.

 

[banthonyb71]

I'm setting up my tank with a herbie overflow. I see some setups with a u-shaped pipe on both the main drain and emergency drain. What are the purposes of these pipes?

I've been using this as my guide:
http://gmacreef.com/herbie-overflow-reef-tank-plumbing-method-basics/
It does not use u-shaped pipes.

Are the u-shaped pipes better? Quite? Etc? I was going to set my overflow up without them with the emergency drain being about 6 inch's taller than the main drain.

Thanks for any responses.

A Herbie doesnt have to have the u shape pipe. it's a variation.

 

[uncleof6]

Down turned elbow prevents the line from sucking air, the upturned elbow sets the head height needed to start the siphon, and serves as the high water level flood prevention. That is unless you decide the safety rules are safe to ignore anyway.

Main reason to use a siphon system is to get rid of the troublesome dursos that can't handle reef tank flow rates. Silence is a side effect of the siphon, not the standpipe configuration. I have reasons to prefer elbows rather than open pipes, but I really don't need another topic to debate...

 

[uncleof6]

A Herbie doesnt have to have the u shape pipe. it's a variation.

The Herbie is a variation of the two pipe siphon system that came before Herbie. Herbie is a modified version to fit in a corner overflow. The overflow is actually best done away with, in favor of C2C overflows, in which space is not an issue, however, it is easy to make space an issue with small external boxes...

 

[banthonyb71]

The Herbie is a variation of the two pipe siphon system that came before Herbie. Herbie is a modified version to fit in a corner overflow. The overflow is actually best done away with, in favor of C2C overflows, in which space is not an issue, however, it is easy to make space an issue with small external boxes...

I've never done a c2c but doesnt it require you to cut up your tank significantly?

 

[RocketEngineer]

I've never done a c2c but doesn't it require you to cut up your tank significantly?

Nope, three drilled holes and adding two pieces of glass. That's all it takes.

 

[fftfk]

Thanks for all of your responses!

 

[banthonyb71]

Nope, three drilled holes and adding two pieces of glass. That's all it takes.

Whats diffrence between beanAnimal and Coast 2 Coast?

 

[uncleof6]

Whats diffrence between beanAnimal and Coast 2 Coast?

That would be comparing apples and oranges again.

The durso is not an overflow, Herbie's modification is not an overflow. They are drains. What they go inside is an overflow. An important distinction.

The difference between a C2C and a BeanAnimal system, is the C2C is an overflow, and the BeanAnimal system (BA for short) is a drain system.

An overflow system (loosely) is composed of an overflow, and a drain system. The Silent & Failsafe Overflow System is composed of Calfo's C2C overflow, and a BA. The best each in its own class, for the intended purpose. (To date so far.)

 

[banthonyb71]

That would be comparing apples and oranges again.

The durso is not an overflow, Herbie's modification is not an overflow. They are drains. What they go inside is an overflow. An important distinction.

The difference between a C2C and a BeanAnimal system, is the C2C is an overflow, and the BeanAnimal system (BA for short) is a drain system.

An overflow system (loosely) is composed of an overflow, and a drain system. The Silent & Failsafe Overflow System is composed of Calfo's C2C overflow, and a BA. The best each in its own class, for the intended purpose. (To date so far.)

yo unc/ sometimes when I get a response from u i here the Debbie Downer jingle from SNL reverberating in my ear. ...I be like.. hey whats this. response from Unc. "womp womp" :lmao:

no just kidding bro. Ok let me be more specific...even tho I have a feeling, you dont really need me but perhaps require precision.

What is being done differently in these 2 images? A BeanAnimal Overfl.. oh wait sorry. BeanAnimal Drain System!!

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and
C2c Overflow.

 

[uncleof6]

The second one is someone not following simple instructions, and/or taking a good system, and fixing it till it is not so good. Pretty simple really. They don't understand how bean's system works, and why. They think that making things as small as possible is the only way there is. Too many cooks spoil the broth. I can come up with many different points of view for the question.

When we came up with the concept of the internal external deal (notched is an offshoot of that) 5 years ago, this was the result:

However, none of the three images is a herbie by any definition. It is the herbie that is the topic of this thread.

 

[fishgate]

I just set mine up last night. Works very well I am finishing it today or tomorrow.

I did not cap my emergency or my full siphon since it is just for maintenance and I am not concerned about that at all. I will cap and put in the guest fitting on the trickle to allow it to go full siphon but in my testing that really isn't needed either. I can shut off my full siphon and the trickle and overflow can handle the flow. Also my trickle is about an inch higher than my full siphon as that helps me to increase the water level in the external box it was making a lot of noise since my pass through holes from tank surface skimmer to external box are set high on the box and were water-falling with the hole set low.

Also none of the plumbing in the external box is glued. Doesn't seem like it matters.