Hippo w/ reoccuring ich

Kaos

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I have a 2.5" Hippo that is eating extremely well but keeps getting ich. He will get rid of most of it and then get it back worse. I know about the ich cycle but what I can't understand is why he can't keep it away. Like I said he is an aggressive eater and I leave Seaweed Selects soaked in Zoe and Garlic Extreme in there all day. I feed a large variety of frozen and flake food, most of which is soaked in the Zoe and Garlic Extreme. Should I get a uv sterilizer or should I try and dose a reef safe ich med? In the past I have tried (w/ other fish) removing them and treating them only to have it come back. Any suggestion would be helpful. TIA.

BTW, the Hippo is the only one w/ ich in the tank.
 
Have you done anything at all to kill the ich? I'd take him out QT him, freshwater dip him, and formalin him. Let the tank run empty for 2 months while he is in QT.

How many garlic cloves fall on the reef for fish to eat?
 
Maddyfish has the surest cure.

Short of that, a uv sterilizer would help. Unfortunately, as I recall, it does a number on your pod population, but keeping tangs, which are notorious for ich, I'd get a sterilizer.
 
Thanks for the help. I came home today and it appears he has big eye now. I can't say for sure because he did have a spec of ich on the same eye that is messed up, so I'm not sure if it is swelling from scratching or big eye. I think in the end I am going to get rid of him. I hate to do it because he is my favorite of all sw fish. I just don't know what else to do. Everything else in the tank is in perfect condition.
 
I got a blue hippo about 5 weeks ago and he quickly developed ich so i treaded his algea with garlic extreme and got him a skunk cleaner shrimp and he took care of him in about a day and have not seen any ich since but my hippo does visit the shrimp a least every othe day
 
I don't know what's wrong w/ mine. I treat all his food w/ garlic and vitamins and he still has ich and now big eye (or swollen eye). I also have a cleaner shrimp that he visits several times a night but he still has the spots. Nothing else in my tank has shown any signs of problems.

I'm starting to think it's the fish suppliers in my area. The Hippo I have is the first one that I have seen at a LFS that didn't have ich and was not starved looking. That's the main reason I bought him. I am starting to get tired of the constant battling.
 
You need to catch that Hippo and treat him in a separate tank with copper or with hyposalinity. Any other treatment that you think you are doing (garlic, cleaner shrimp etc) are only bandaids. The only reason you think it's working is because of the ich's life cycle, which makes it unattach for a short period of time.

Also even if you don't see spots on your tang's skin it could very well have ich on its gills which is much worse. If you want to save it and all your other fish, read up on ich treatments. Garlic is good as an appetite stimulant and somewhat helps their immune system but it is NOT a cure.
 
That fish is as good as dead if you don't start SOME sort of a treatment. Feeding garlic and vitamins does nothing for ich at all.
The fish is dead if you don't get it out, hypo it and medicate it. If all you've done so far is garlic and vitamins, then you have done nothing.
 
Re: Hippo w/ reoccuring ich

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7640148#post7640148 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kaos
I have a 2.5" Hippo that is eating extremely well but keeps getting ich. He will get rid of most of it and then get it back worse. I know about the ich cycle but what I can't understand is why he can't keep it away.


BTW, the Hippo is the only one w/ ich in the tank.

Well, if you say you understand the ich life cycle then you should understand that your hippo is probably NOT the only one with ich in the tank. It is the only one you can see the ich on. The other fishs' gills may very well have ich on them as well but you just can't see it.

You can't just treat the hippo only and then put it back in the main tank. If you only treat the hippo you will still have ich in the main tank. AND it will keep coming back and yes the hippo will get it again after you do your treatment and then put it back in the main tank. You must treat ALL of the fish in a separate QT tank FOR NO LESS THAN 4-6 WEEKS. You say you understand the ich life cycle but you don't understand why he can't stay rid of it. Aren't you tripping over your own feet here?
 
I have had a hippo for a 1 1/2 yrs in a 55g. It is about 4-5". I make all my own food and I put in alot of fresh garlic. I feed every morning. It has came down with ich (very slightly) a couple of times. It only has happened when I ran out of my food and and feed flake for about a week. I then would make some more food and after a couple of days he was better.

I dont care what anybody says, I feel garlic does help.

Just my .02.
Lori
 
The issue isn't whether or not anybody believes in garlic,onions, or any other snake-oil-of-the-month. The issue is that Kaos has a relatively simple to treat parasite, and he chooses not to treat it. But chooses to complain of "being tired of the constant battle"

NewBeReef- to allow a fish to come down with a easily treatable parasite more than once is cruel. For the good of the fish, remove, treat, QT him,and any other fish in the tank, and let your tank run fallow for 2 months.

I am done with this thread. Good advice was given by me and others. It has been ignored. To continue is pointless.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7658242#post7658242 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NewBeReef627
I have had a hippo for a 1 1/2 yrs in a 55g. It is about 4-5". I make all my own food and I put in alot of fresh garlic. I feed every morning. It has came down with ich (very slightly) a couple of times. It only has happened when I ran out of my food and and feed flake for about a week. I then would make some more food and after a couple of days he was better.

I dont care what anybody says, I feel garlic does help.

Just my .02.
Lori

You say that it comes down with ick very slightly, but that's only from what you can see on its skin. Ick attacks the gills of a fish first and foremost so once you start to see it on its skin, then the gills are already badly infested.

Imagine having a disease that felt like lice all over your body and in your lungs. Now you tell me if eating garlic sounds like it would be a viable cure for that sort of thing.

It will not stop until you catch all your fish and treat them for 6 weeks minimum on copper or hyposalinity. Anything else you convince yourself of is pure denial and laziness.
 
Alright, lets get one thing straight! I'm not a newb nor am I a child. Unless you can speak civil and offer helpful (not degrading) advice:

DON'T POST IN MY THREAD!

I have kept sw fish for the last 5 years and have only had problems w/ ich twice during that time. Garlic helps the immune system, it's a FACT. Fish get ich due to not being healthy, FACT. I bought a fish that was healthy and fed him vitamins and garlic from the begining to help keep him that way. If he transported ich into my tank, then so be it, but there was none in there before that. All the inhabitants in that tank have been in there for awhile and none have showed the slightest signs of ich. I am very familiar w/ the life cycle of ich. Before I set up my first tank I spent months researching and reading everything I could get my hands on. If you'll notice my post count is very low for someone that has been a member for almost four years. That's because I read and search for my answers and don't post because of people w/ attitude problems that think they know everything and are perfect.

Right now qt'ing is not an option. I don't have the space nor the time to set up another tank. If I can't get rid of the ich through the stuff I am already doing (or possibly adding a uv) then he will be given to someone who can. If that' the case then this will most likely be my last tang. Almost all the tangs that come into the lfs's in my area have ich. That's why I said earlier that I got this one because he was healthy looking and had no signs of ich. The only thing I can think of is either the lfs's tanks are ich infested and/or the suppliers are crappy. It has been like this for years.

Right now, his eye is back to normal and the ich has receeded allot. This may be part of the life cycle of ich but if he is healthy shouldn't he be able to shake it?
 
Few months ago I did ignore and not treat my fish, I did the garlic thing and vitams, what happened? I lost all my fish, frustrated, sand and lost $$$, one survivor. a $3.00 damsel!! waited 6 weeks with the damsel in it put new fish a clown and a little cowfish and guess what ich again!! well I set up a QT, took down the tank to take the damsel and treat them with hypo, now they are out of it and happy no signs of ich. Now I'm treating all new fish with hypo. Please help the fish and treat it. I had fish for over 2 years
 
I don't see anyone not being civil on this thread. (Unless of course you count your outburst at people trying to share knowledge).

Ok, you're not a newb and you're not a child but you are definitely being stubborn about this. There is not a single reputable scientist who will back you up on your garlic treatment.

Here is how ich works roughly:

1) It is attached to the fish. It feeds off the fish to gain strength.

2) It detaches from the fish and settles on the sand/rocks. At this point it starts getting ready to reproduce by forming cysts. This is why you think that your fish gets better because the ich has detached and is getting ready to multiply.

3) The cysts burst and release thousands if not millions of free floating parasites that swim around looking for a fish to latch onto. In the ocean this isn't a big deal because the ocean is huge. In an aquarium's confined spaces, they will easily find ALL of your fish.

4) They attach to the fish in greater numbers than before and start the cycle anew.

This is why it seems like the fish gets better and then suddenly gets hit by a worse case of it. The only way to clear your tank of ich is to remove all your fish so that stage 3 is disrupted. The little swimming parasites will swim around looking for fish and when they don't find any, they die.

In the meantime, you put your fish in an environment that will kill any parasites still attached to them. Copper and Hyposalinity will both do the trick in killing the ich but this will also kill your live rock, live sand, inverts and corals which is why it must be done separately.

Anyways, I'm done with this thread. I don't want to argue with you. I'm just hoping you'll absorb and apply this knowledge and maybe something can be done to save that tang and any other fish you decide to put in your tank, because I guarantee that until you leave your tank fishless for 6 weeks, they will all catch it as well.
 
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