Host anemones allopathic interactions

[OrionN]

I think anemone do not feel, as our brain feel emotion, but they will react to stimuli. There are receptors on the anemone. If "this" touch = food or enemy fire the harpoons. If "that " touch=self, brother do not fire harpoons. Bad condition this side = move to that side

There will be chemical that leak out of the anemone and get concentrate in our close system. These are not toxic to self or closely related species but can/will be toxic to other animal/anemone.
With the volume of water and the water movement in the ocean, I do not think that it is a viralble or effective option for anemone just release toxin into the water to that it can harm it's neighbor. Direct contact is another story. If two different enough anemones come in contact, I think they will know that it the contact is non-self and will fire away in directly contact warfare.
It is not logical to think that an anemone will release chemicals that are toxic to it species, because the anemone that will get the most affect of these toxin is the one that release the toxin.

 

[OrionN]

A wide variety of posts from experienced anemone keepers. I think I will run carbon and will see if I can keep Mag and Gig together. These are my two favorite anemone species.

 

[Gary Majchrzak]

carbon doesn't remove nematocysts

 

[OrionN]

Gary, I am not so sure that it is nematocysts that are released intentionally. I think that there are some chemical that does not affect self but possible have adverse affect on other animal if at high enough concentration that only happen in aquarium

 

[Ambition]

I think you know the answer to that!

I never kept BTA's and mags in the same system so I can't comment on that combo but it's pretty obvious to me that different anemone species react differently to one another.

For example: my mag would actively seek out Stichodactyla tapetum to kill them.

My Macrodactyla doreensis and S. haddoni didn't care one bit about nearby tapetum.

A little over a year ago I did have a haddoni seek out and kill a M. doreensis, as well as act uneasy (picking a spot, then moving in the next day or two again) with the presence of two BTAs. The haddoni did come in direct contact with the doreensis, and was removed before I found out what it would do about the BTAs.

Minh, as far as I know, humans are one of the only animals to feel emotion. Anemones do not have brains, the way other Cnidarians do not have brains. They do however have a simple network of nerves so they can sense the world around them. They are light sensitive, otherwise we wouldn't notice a difference in expansion from day to night. Being able to sense another anemone is in the tank, is something that they can probably do.

Similar species will be more alike, and most likely have a better chance at surviving together. A genus puts together similar species of organisms.

 

[Gary Majchrzak]

re: concentration

re: concentration

that's why carbon isn't the answer- it doesn't remove nematocysts.

 

[OrionN]

I think Rod B. had multispecies together in his system. I think he ahd Magnifica and Gigantea. Each in their own aquarium but all share a sump. I don't think he had a Haddoni in that system.

 

[ClownNut]

i have a friend got 3 haddon's(red/blue/green), BTA green/rose, Magnifica, sebae, rock (green), bunch mini maxi, now he just added a purple with green base LTA.
he did lost a blue gig(almost made to 1 year mark then it just died) all others beside the LTA have been togather about 5-8 years. it was a 135, now he upgraded to 180 still have all those nems in there.
he run carbon in a bag in the sump.

 

[Gary Majchrzak]

he run carbon in a bag in the sump.

that's it? No water changes, protein skimming or mechanical filtration?

 

[OrionN]

I will have a pretty good skimmer and more than average water change. I will use a Carbon and Phos obsorber in canister with force water pump throug it. I will try to keep a thread on it and see how these guys will fare.

 

[Ocfishguy]

Thank you so much for this post.

I have a Green Haddoni and was wondering what other anemone could live with it, I was hoping on the LR? Any suggestions?

I was thinking about getting a RBTA but now am having second thoughts, thank you again for this post.

 

[Gary Majchrzak]

Thank you so much for this post.

I have a Green Haddoni and was wondering what other anemone could live with it, I was hoping on the LR? Any suggestions?

I was thinking about getting a RBTA but now am having second thoughts, thank you again for this post.

tip: read the anemone FAQ at the top of the Clownfish Anemone forum on RC

 

[kris4647]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1429294

So controversial I am. Sorry that donut guy got me going.

The tank stayed as seen till Ike. The gig turned green. The green gig died(im not remembering if that flat looking nem near the Bleached Gig was a Haddoni) The othet was home to my GSM's. It was a very large system with ozone and carbon rx's ( I'm old school ).

To the question at hand I'm not sure. It was a topic back then if you dig through all the nonsense. Todd brought it up. Some other threads discussed it but it's all anecdotal stuff. Nothing scientific or reproducible. Interesting thought tho, with more than yourself wondering over the years.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/search.php?searchid=10208506

 

[ClownNut]

that's it? No water changes, protein skimming or mechanical filtration?

yes, water change 10-20%. skimmer is octopus extreme 200. that's all.

 

[Toddrtrex]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1429294

So controversial I am. Sorry that donut guy got me going.

The tank stayed as seen till Ike. The gig turned green. The green gig died(im not remembering if that flat looking nem near the Bleached Gig was a Haddoni) The othet was home to my GSM's. It was a very large system with ozone and carbon rx's ( I'm old school ).

To the question at hand I'm not sure. It was a topic back then if you dig through all the nonsense. Todd brought it up. Some other threads discussed it but it's all anecdotal stuff. Nothing scientific or reproducible. Interesting thought tho, with more than yourself wondering over the years.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/search.php?searchid=10208506

Yes, I did bring it up, and I still stand by what I stated, and have observed in my tanks. I have reproduced it, again in my tanks.

 

[OrionN]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1429294

So controversial I am. Sorry that donut guy got me going.

The tank stayed as seen till Ike. The gig turned green. The green gig died(im not remembering if that flat looking nem near the Bleached Gig was a Haddoni) The othet was home to my GSM's. It was a very large system with ozone and carbon rx's ( I'm old school ).

To the question at hand I'm not sure. It was a topic back then if you dig through all the nonsense. Todd brought it up. Some other threads discussed it but it's all anecdotal stuff. Nothing scientific or reproducible. Interesting thought tho, with more than yourself wondering over the years.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/search.php?searchid=10208506

Kris,
As far as I am concern, did you have a Magnifica in that system?

I just took this picture 5 mins ago. My 65 g tanks with 2 Gigantea, 2 Malu, 2 Maxi Tapetum, one BTA and countless Mini Tapetum. Everybody are doing great. I don't run carbon either.

 

[82ndengineer]

Nice tank Minh, is that the gig we were talking about?

 

[kris4647]

Todd I said you brought it up nothing more. Yes Minh a Ritt was three feet down the tank.

I have many shots here of my 215g which had Haddoni Quad and a Ritt. For two years.

It's a valid subject for discussion. It's not like we can, at the hobby level, say x is given off by y thereby killing it or poisoning subject b. The raceways in California we've all seen that they never segregate our Cnidaria. It's just a tough thing to isolate. I can't or won't say the anecdotal things you've seen aren't true in your case.

Was the Nem under stress and giving off some defense chemical?
Could it be filtration?
Proximity?
Water quality parameter we don't collect?

I honestly don't know and wouldn't guess because it wouldn't hold up to scrutiny and outliers.

 

[kris4647]

Honestly I'm bad.

 

[kris4647]

The 400 tank; I comment on one Quad that thrived one didn't.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1448354


I'm crawling back in my 5 yr hole now. Keep up the great work guys.