Host anemones allopathic interactions
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Just an update on this topic.
IMO, I have proof conclusively that there are no significant allopathic interaction between some of the host anemones of these species:
H. malu
S. gigantea
S. haddon
H. magnifica
M. doreensis
I have these in my same system for prolong periord of times without problem. There are minor problem with a few of my anemones, but the problem is related to the smaller anemone been shaded and squeezed by larger anemones. Relocate the one that not doing well to another area of the tank solve the problem. I know that in the mind of some other reefers, what I show does not mean a whole lot.
IMO, when anemones doing poorly in our tank, and reefer concluded that it must be allopathic or chemical warfare is a take an easy way out.
About my system, I have a 320 gal DT with 40 gal refugium and a 100 gal sump. I do not run carbon, I do use a DSB in the DT and refugium and a cryptic filter (lots of rock in the dark in the sump)
Here are a few pictures of my anemones of different species toughing each other for months, some case years with out problem. Other than the pictures below, I have M doreensis, H. malu also in the system. Other nong host anemones included Borneman Anemone, and S. tapetum (the Maxi kind).
Gigantea touching Haddoni
Magnifica and Gigantea toughing all the time for months. Bother got fairly large without that much feeding
Closer pictures of the tentacles of where they touch
Gigantea and Haddoini touching, close pictures of the tentacles where they touch
IMO, I have proof conclusively that there are no significant allopathic interaction between some of the host anemones of these species:
H. malu
S. gigantea
S. haddon
H. magnifica
M. doreensis
I have these in my same system for prolong periord of times without problem. There are minor problem with a few of my anemones, but the problem is related to the smaller anemone been shaded and squeezed by larger anemones. Relocate the one that not doing well to another area of the tank solve the problem. I know that in the mind of some other reefers, what I show does not mean a whole lot.
IMO, when anemones doing poorly in our tank, and reefer concluded that it must be allopathic or chemical warfare is a take an easy way out.
About my system, I have a 320 gal DT with 40 gal refugium and a 100 gal sump. I do not run carbon, I do use a DSB in the DT and refugium and a cryptic filter (lots of rock in the dark in the sump)
Here are a few pictures of my anemones of different species toughing each other for months, some case years with out problem. Other than the pictures below, I have M doreensis, H. malu also in the system. Other nong host anemones included Borneman Anemone, and S. tapetum (the Maxi kind).
Gigantea touching Haddoni
Magnifica and Gigantea toughing all the time for months. Bother got fairly large without that much feeding
Closer pictures of the tentacles of where they touch
Gigantea and Haddoini touching, close pictures of the tentacles where they touch
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Host anemones allopathic interactions
I ask because once an employee had mistakenly placed a condylactis in one of the reef tank where there had been a macrodactyla doreensis for many months and within a few days of the Condy moving around the Otherwise healthy LTA dissipated...
Also I had a client who said having problems with an elegant coral stinging every anemone he tried . Though I found that strange , afterwards I always was reluctant to have an elegant closer than 12" to anything else...
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I ask because once an employee had mistakenly placed a condylactis in one of the reef tank where there had been a macrodactyla doreensis for many months and within a few days of the Condy moving around the Otherwise healthy LTA dissipated...
Also I had a client who said having problems with an elegant coral stinging every anemone he tried . Though I found that strange , afterwards I always was reluctant to have an elegant closer than 12" to anything else...
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Just two anemones does not do well does not mean that they are fighting with each other. There are all kinds of things that can cause problem, including most likely infections introduced with the new anemone and infected and kill the resident anemone.
If you keep two of them thriving and touching together, then that mean that they don't fight.
Corals and anemones always fight when they are touching each other.
If you keep two of them thriving and touching together, then that mean that they don't fight.
Corals and anemones always fight when they are touching each other.
I had a haddoni and mag that didn't get along at all. Both were fine and huge. Introduce haddoni to the system and the mag stress spawned in minutes then the haddoni. Disconnect the haddoni tank and everything back to normal. Connect it back in later haddoni deflate and stress spawn and mag stress spawn.
I'm not confirming allopathy but something I don't understand was going on. My current mag and haddoni get along great though so some may be more tolerant than others. These stress spawns were fast I mean very fast. Just long enough for the turnover rate to mix the water and them notice each other.
I'm not confirming allopathy but something I don't understand was going on. My current mag and haddoni get along great though so some may be more tolerant than others. These stress spawns were fast I mean very fast. Just long enough for the turnover rate to mix the water and them notice each other.
OrionN
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nemmy,
There are several possible cause for what you see, non of which have anything to do with the anemones. I think the connection between the two may be full of very stagnant water. When salt water get stagnant, all kind of bad things happened, namely anoxic condition will kill whatever live in there, worms and other animals, what have you. This dead poison the water, generated various toxic chemical and gas.
When you turn on the connection of the two system, these noxic substance with flush into the aquarium and irritated your animals. You see the same thing when you have a canister filter that been offline for a while and then when you turn it on.
There are several possible cause for what you see, non of which have anything to do with the anemones. I think the connection between the two may be full of very stagnant water. When salt water get stagnant, all kind of bad things happened, namely anoxic condition will kill whatever live in there, worms and other animals, what have you. This dead poison the water, generated various toxic chemical and gas.
When you turn on the connection of the two system, these noxic substance with flush into the aquarium and irritated your animals. You see the same thing when you have a canister filter that been offline for a while and then when you turn it on.
OrionN
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Like I wrote previously. In situation like this, you cannot prove that allopathic interaction between happened, but you can prove that they do not happen.
If they don't do well together, it can be because of all kings of things. However, if they do well, it mean that they are not at war with each other.
If they don't do well together, it can be because of all kings of things. However, if they do well, it mean that they are not at war with each other.
When I meant disconnected the tank I just meant separate it from the common sump. It was still a perfectly functioning tank minus a skimmer and filter sock. It still received water changes etc. All I did was turn off the return and move a heater in. It wasn't a shut down stagnant tank it was one whole system that had part taken off separate then later added back on. The haddoni was originally added with all tanks running when the original stress spawns happened it was only then that I shut down the return and maintained the one tank by itself off the sump.
Granted I can see a water quality difference when the return was fired back up, but I don't see it being that far off with water changes being done. Either way those two anemones could never be housed together.
And yeah I can't confirm nor deny allopathy but those two did not like being in the same water.
Granted I can see a water quality difference when the return was fired back up, but I don't see it being that far off with water changes being done. Either way those two anemones could never be housed together.
And yeah I can't confirm nor deny allopathy but those two did not like being in the same water.
OrionN
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When you close off a return, the water in the pipes become stagnant and hypoxic. That is what I mean.
Regardless, there are many things that can cause your anemones to not do well. My Haddoni and Magnifica are all in the same system, they even touch each other without problem. That is proof that they do not have significant war fare with each other.
Regardless, there are many things that can cause your anemones to not do well. My Haddoni and Magnifica are all in the same system, they even touch each other without problem. That is proof that they do not have significant war fare with each other.
Return was a straight shot up flex hose (IMG attached). As soon as it was unplugged it back siphoned into the sump. It didn't have any elbows or flat spots to lay in. Like I said it was just these two that hated each other. I currently also have a mag haddoni and gig all in the same tank without issue. It was odd. The haddoni living with the mag now is the same haddoni but a different mag and 0 issue. Go figure! (Also IMG attached)
