How do you cycle water?

Amyh24

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Ok, as you can see from my question I am an extreme newbie. Getting my first set up. I know I can not put fish in it for awhile but once I get it set up what do I do next?

Add water?
Live Sand?
What do I run (power jets, lights, filters, etc)?
I have well water, is that ok to use?
How much live rock for a 90 gallon tank?

What testers etc do I need to buy right away?

Any links that could help here. I am trying to do alot of reading. I am learning alot but their seems like sooooo much to learn.

Thanks,

Amy
 
Hi AmyH,
Your answer covers a number of pages so I think you need to define a bit better what you are going to create. Much of what you ask is personal preference and so there are a lot of "good" answers.

I would hold off doing anything until you do read a bunch more so you do not have to "undo" anything.

What kind of biotope do you wish to have? I guess that is the first place to start :)
 
Definitely keep doing some reading and figure out what kind of tank you are wanting to do before you start purchasing things!
One of the first things to figure out is if you are going to run a sump or not..that will help determine your filtration and skimmer. It also depends on what you want to spend. Anenomes require some intense lighting which costs much more than a live rock only or soft coral tank.
No well water. You need to get some RODI water.
Definitely take a look at the link posted above. Start by making a list of what you need to purchase.
We'll be more than happy to help you along!!!
 
Yes what Amy said. Your original question as you will see covers many many pages and is frankly impossible to answer in any 1 sitting. As you decide what goes in the tank on the livestock side, it will pre-determine many of your choices.
I will warn you that if you are set on an Anemone, you are going to be purchasing equipment for the most demanding conditions. As they require superior light, water conditions and room to roam initially and typically do best in a "species" tank. No one wants to hear that you need a tank setup for at least a year but that I am afraid is just a fact of the matter. This animal has a very dismal future in most tanks and so warrants a lot of study.

Fish and corals: Unless you have a large lighting budget (read Metal Halide) you will probably go with mostly soft corals and a few of the Large Polyp Stonies (these are some of my favorites as they tend to be colorful and move with the water) that require less that extreme lighting. The fish, do not matter, they seem to swim no matter how bright the light is :) Even with Power compact lighting on a 90G tank, you can expect to spend 3-4 hundred dollars for a decent retro kit or even some of the more reasonable fixtures.

Take your time before this purchase and consider the long haul, if you decide later you want to go with the more demanding corals or the Anemone, you will be required to dump these lights in favor of the Metal Halides. Oh decisions decisions, but better to know first that you are going this route than spend $400 only to take them back off 6 or 9 months later.

So still at What is going in the tank :)
 
That's good advice. If you have ambitions for clownfish, they don't have to have anemones. They will host in a lot of different kinds of things---someone was saying theirs had landed in a featherduster.

There are some good articles to the left, on the splash page of the site.

We're all willing to answer any question---we've all been there.

Let's break it down into---size of aquarium. How much room do you have?
Do you want to go in for metal halides and keep the more difficult corals (really, they're not that hard: it's the pricey lights, fixtures, ballasts (over 500 dollars for the whole light rig for a 55 gallon)and persnickety testing of water quality [elbow grease] that make them rarer. For them you need the whole rig: the sump, the skimmer, the tank, the lights, the ballast, the highpowered return pump).
Then there's the large polyp stoneys, the frogspawns, bubbles, hammers and the acans and plates...their light requirements are less expensive. You still need the sump and skimmer for them to thrive.
Next in degree of difficulty, mushrooms and zoos and leathers, which are more tolerant of lighting and pump/skimmer but demanding in their own way.
You can keep fish in any of these systems, and each one has its appeal. Some people love the small polyp stoneys and their flowerlike colors. Some like the motion of the large polyp types; some like the frilly leathers, which also move; and some like the color shadings and variation of a theme of the mushrooms and zoos. They're all to like. None is 'better' than another. You can keep large and small polyp stoneys together. You can have mushrooms with them, with a few caveats. Leathers don't mix well with either, and definitely not with anemones.

Welcome and hit us with the questions.


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Very nice to see this kind of reception, as I've been into marine aquaria for a couple years and just registered here myself. I just tore down my 33G as it was setup very sub-par, and I'm parting/selling it off to setup something worthwhile. I'll be starting a similar thread very soon (tonight probly) but I already know what i want, so this is more of a taste of things to come I guess.
 
I am buying my set up used from someone I found on here.


90 Gallon All Glass....The Tank is Reef Ready and the plumbing will be included. I will also include the 20G sump. The lights are Current USA Orbits 4 x 96 watts


Like I said I am new to this. I think he said somewhere that the only thing I would need was a heater. But I am not sure because I was looking at a few set ups that I am getting confused.

I hope that gives you a better understanding of what I will be working with.
 
It takes about 30 seconds to get confused, but you are have a good basic setup started here, thanks Sk8r, could not have put it better myself, (long winded as I am) :) the 4X96 breaks you solidly into the LPS world (You need to know the age of the bulbs as they are good for about 1 year and start going downhill from day 1)
I would start with a detailed list of exactly what you have now and prepare for about 20 opinions (and probably only 1 or 2 of them bad :))
 
When you get your hands on the setup, a bunch of pictures and a complete list of equipment might help. Does the setup have a protein skimmer? If not, that's one item I'd strongly recommend, as an example.

Personally, I'd be very cautious about trying an anemone under that lighting. Maybe some of the Entacmaea quadricolor, or the other lower-light species, would work.
 
A few other things/ expenses to think about or make sure you have:

-water (RODI is best, tap/well water is not recommended)
-protein skimmer
-bucket-o-salt
-hydrometer/refractometer
-live rock (great for filtration...also, a 90 gallon is a deep tank...for the lighting you have you will need to raise any corals up off of the sandbed...you need enough rock to get them closer to the light)
-quality test kits
-thermometer
-heater
-circulation/powerheads
-chemicals (iodine, trace minerals, ph regulator, etc.)

I actually just started up the exact same tank, so if you need any help, i'll be happy to pass along what i've figured out so far!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7329084#post7329084 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bertoni
When you get your hands on the setup, a bunch of pictures and a complete list of equipment might help. Does the setup have a protein skimmer? If not, that's one item I'd strongly recommend, as an example.

Personally, I'd be very cautious about trying an anemone under that lighting. Maybe some of the Entacmaea quadricolor, or the other lower-light species, would work.

Very good advise.

Let me ask you this though...how long might it take a decent sized anenome to start to "go downhill" under improper lighting? I'm asking because at the LFS I worked at previously, the owner was determined on having a "nemo" tank on display...and he used only a 32G hagen tank with a single Aquaclear 150, no skimmer, and nothing more for lighting then a ~ 20W 10k florescent bulb and a single ~ 20W Actinic bulb. There's a carpet anenome in that tank that's a good 8-10 inches across and it has been in there since just before christmas.

I know there are always exceptions, and I'm sorry that this is kind of off topic, but I was curious as to why so many people think you need such crazy lighting for anenome's...unless it IS true 9 out of 10 times.
 
There's a link to an article on host anemones at the top of this forum. Keeping an anemone for a few months doesn't really mean much. They can slowly decline for a long time.

Many of them seem to do best with intense lighting, which is their natural environment. They also get to be quite large. The smallest end up a foot across or more, if memory serves. My E quadricolor is in that category. Since they eat a lot, they also present a reasonably large filtration load.
 
It really is a shame that there is such a misconception that Anemone's can be easy to keep.

Perhaps if a person had to keep a Condy for a year before getting one of the more difficult animals, they might stand a better chance.

The amount of time one survives could likely depend on its condition to start with. Sort of like a Fat Mandarin VS. one that has been in the store for a month already.

I also have seen a LFS that wanted to keep a green carpet in a 12 G nano of all places with no water changes. It is sad to see that an know it is doomed, only to be told you do not know what you are talking about because his "Expert" told him it would work fine under 34W of PC lights..
 
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