How many Fish per Gallon?

Carressa

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Since I maintain a reefonly tank I'm not sure what the rule of thumb is for fish per gallon? Does anyone have any insite on this? I have a friend wanting to start his first salt tank but he is asking how many inches of fish he can put per gallon in a marine tank.

Thanks in advance!
 
that is a freshwater rule......for saltwater you need to research each genus to see what they need.
*and go by adult sizes, not the size you buy.
 
no......
according to that...taking the conservative end, 1/2", would mean you could put a 37.5" fish in a 75g! Or or 5-7.5" fish! Or 7-5.5" fish!
That is a Freshwater rule.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7295535#post7295535 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by E-A-G-L-E-S
no......
according to that...taking the conservative end, 1/2", would mean you could put a 37.5" fish in a 75g! Or or 5-7.5" fish! Or 7-5.5" fish!
That is a Freshwater rule.

Well, obviously the size of each fish matters! You obviously can't put a 37.5" shark in a 75 gallon tank.
 
Very true. Fish do not just grow to fit their tank: with marine fish, if the adult is 6 feet, it will grow until its tank can no longer support it, and then it will die, probably of general stress. In the wild, said fish might live for a hundred or more years.

Not 1" per gallon---one inch of ADULT size per each 2 gallons.

And there are special needs: most anthias, for instance, need 6 feet of running-room, or they stress and die. Mandarins, while small, need a continual supply of isopods.

You can check out needs and adult sizes of fish at saltwater.com.

You also have to consider combativeness. There may be a certain macho appeal to "fish only/aggressive"---but any fish is aggressive when its territory (read: food supply) is threatened. The real equation is territoriality vs tendency to roam about. Put a roamer in with a territory-defender, and you're going to have some clashes, even with reef-safe nanofish.

My personal tank? I have 5 nanofish in a 52, because their small size lets them use my holey rockwork and wander in and out in a quest for live food, establish small territories (firefish and watchman) and accommodate the roaming behavior of the mandarin and rainford goby. This way I get to watch fish being fish, not fish conning food at the front glass---my personal preference.
 
and obviously you can't put 5-7.5" fish, or 7-5.5" fish, or 10-3.75" fish, in a 75g.
Each genus needs to be researched to find what it needs....For Example: 2 - 4" clowns need much less room than 2 - 4" kole tangs. ;)
 
The inch per gallon is not good for saltwater or freshwater. I would research the fish you are thinking of getting and go from there.
 
That's what EAGLES is trying to say. Also, some fish command a larger territory and will kill anything that goes into it. Therefore, if you put X fish that can grow to adulthood without difficulty in say something like a 75g tank, but it's territory takes up the whole tank, then you have reached your limit with one fish. For example, if you have an adult Domino Damsel or Humbug Damsel alone in a 75g tank, I'm sure that they will command the whole tank. Thus, you have just bought a $5 fish that grows no more than 4", but will be your only fish. If you take that information, you can see that 1" per 19g. Yet, you can turn around and put something like a school of 7 chromis in there with not much of a problem at all. When fully grown that would be about 1" per 3g. Also, another factor is room to move. For example, tangs and surgeonfish are water column fish. They make mad dashes that last MANY yards and travel wide distances foraging for food.

Let's take a Sailfin Tang for example. They grow 15" long. Their fins fully expanded make it a good 20" tall. If you use the 1"/gallon rule, then all you need is something 30" long. That would be as small as a 29g tank. But because of their need to swim and they huge size, you need more. It is recommended by most to have at least 125g tank (liveaquaria.com). But, lets think of it this way, a Yellow tang is said to need at least a 4ft tank. They grow a maximum size of about 7". Now 48/7=~6.8" of tank per inch of fish. Use that info for an adult Sailfin and you get 102". Round that up to the nearest foot and you get a 9' tank. Now, that's for when it does dashes. But they are capable of dashing far beyond 9ft, so it needs room to maneuver and turn. Since it can't turn on a dime while dashing, it will need at least it's body length. Let's just say 2x it's body length for a quick, but casual turn in a dash. That's a 30" Wide tank. Now vertically, when it fully stretches out, it's a good 20". It needs room to move up and down, but like almost all fish, vertical room isn't too important. But he still needs room to go up and down. Let's take 2x it's total height. That's 40". So, now we have a tank that is 108"x30"x40" to properly accomodate an adult Sailfin Tang to it's death of old age. That's 560g! Not 125g like recommended. Of course, this is good news. In the mean time, the Sailfin isn't very aggressive and only takes up a space that is about 15"x20"x3". So, the other space can house many other fish of smaller size. Also, this huge amount of space will also probably provide the fish with enough food to sustain itself if there are no other competitors for its food source.

I guess all I'm trying to say is, not only is the inch per gallon rule completely worthless in both freshwater and saltwater, but even the recommended gallons are also a little off if your goal is truly responsible husbandry. That's just my opinion and theory though
 
Travis, awesome reply and very informative, but as a physician it is my responsibility to tell you that you really need to cut back on the caffeine.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7296285#post7296285 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MarkD40
Travis, awesome reply and very informative, but as a physician it is my responsibility to tell you that you really need to cut back on the caffeine.

:lmao: Too bad I don't drink coffee and pop. I'm working on 32oz of water right now :D Truthfully, I'm working on an article for one of our clubs that discusses tank size and fish species.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7295539#post7295539 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by E-A-G-L-E-S
caressa...what type of corals will be kept? Substrate, how deep, barebottom? what size tank?


Right now any coral that would be added sometime down the road would be one or two softies. Sand bottom 3inch deep and the tank is a 25gal Aquapod.
 
Like everyone said, its a stupid rule. Rule is even a bad word for it. But if you want to know what it was originally , it was 1 inch per gallon freshwater and 1" per 4 gallons saltwater.
 
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