Reefnation.Jon
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Just curious what the norm is?
How many people live with ich, how many eradicate ich?
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I used to just live with it. But nowadays I QT, prophylactically treat for and eradicate it before it ever reaches my DT. Both methods have their pros & cons; both are a PITA in their own way. I just don't ever want to wake up to a tank full of dead fish ever again.
Reefnation.Jon
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I should at least contribute to my own question.
I do tank transfer with everything before it comes in. I transfer ever 1-2 days for at least 8 days.
Ill also treat with prazipro or quickcure as well for other possibilities before putting into DT
I do tank transfer with everything before it comes in. I transfer ever 1-2 days for at least 8 days.
Ill also treat with prazipro or quickcure as well for other possibilities before putting into DT
wooden_reefer
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Better to have tiers on the number of years in this hobby.
What a person with only two years in this hobby does does not mean much.
What a person with only two years in this hobby does does not mean much.
Reefnation.Jon
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Unfortunately there are probably more tanks with ich than not with ich and a lot of people manage it with healthy systems quite successfully.
I have had systems with ich and without for years at a time. It is possibly to get it in your system even if you do everything "right". There are several fish that are not recommended for QT. It seems we find out every year that ich can live longer and longer in a fallow tank.
I'd also be willing to bet we can all learn important things from people who have only been in this hobby for a few years. And for those of you who have only been in a few years please share your experiences.
I have had systems with ich and without for years at a time. It is possibly to get it in your system even if you do everything "right". There are several fish that are not recommended for QT. It seems we find out every year that ich can live longer and longer in a fallow tank.
I'd also be willing to bet we can all learn important things from people who have only been in this hobby for a few years. And for those of you who have only been in a few years please share your experiences.
Allmost
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I have QT all fish before they were added.
I think I do have ICH in my tank though, probably missed it on a fish, came with an invert, or I might have even used the same net or something in other tanks and SPS tank ... who knows, there are just too many ways for them to get in.
once in a blue moon, when I am not around to feed the fish for couple days, and dont do water changes for a couple weeks, I notice some white dots on some fish ... they do go away after 1 day of feeding them well though.
I think I do have ICH in my tank though, probably missed it on a fish, came with an invert, or I might have even used the same net or something in other tanks and SPS tank ... who knows, there are just too many ways for them to get in.
once in a blue moon, when I am not around to feed the fish for couple days, and dont do water changes for a couple weeks, I notice some white dots on some fish ... they do go away after 1 day of feeding them well though.
MrTuskfish
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What fish are not recommended for a QT and by whom?
wooden_reefer
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I think the reason is that ich can die off on its own but only by chance.
Let's say one generation of infestation can be so low that there is no next generation left.
It is also possible that ich and fish have been at a stage of back and forth number but without the ich overwheming due to chance.
If you want to live this this chance, it is OK.
But I do not think is happening is that fish has acquired effective immunity irrespective of any chance of a sudden change in the tide of numbers of ich in a tank.
If there is enough ich infestation in one lifecycle, the next or the one after will result in a serious outbreak.
It is a matter of chance and spatial relation, immunity cannot change this chance factor.
MrTuskfish
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So many folks leave this hobby because of ich, that you'll never have a valid sample; making the "norm" you're seeking impossible.
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Reefnation.Jon
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There are many whom do not recommend QT'ing Leopard Wrasse's.
Reefnation.Jon
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I personally had ich in one of my tanks for years with no problem. It popped up twice on my tangs, once during a move and once when power went out. There were no new fish added to this tank for over a 16 month period.
This is not a tread to advocate ich.
Just curious to who can manage it.
I would also be willing to bet that most systems that are decimated from what is though to be ich is actually velvet.
This is not a tread to advocate ich.
Just curious to who can manage it.
I would also be willing to bet that most systems that are decimated from what is though to be ich is actually velvet.
MrTuskfish
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To give any beginning hobbyist the idea that they can "manage" ich is doing him a great disservice. I do not know, of know of, any hobbyist, reputable author, etc.,whom I would consider an "expert" who would ever consider living with ich. You can find many folks who tried living with ich, their stuff is listed on Craigslist. Beginners sure could learn a lot from them.
Reefnation.Jon
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Thank you Mr Tusk Fish,
I will assume you are one who has eradicated it. And this is the preffered way.
I will assume you are one who has eradicated it. And this is the preffered way.
MrTuskfish
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I agree, velvet is very under-diagnosed.
RC has a real authority on Leopard Wrasses, perhaps he will chime in.
While leopard wrasses are less susceptible to ich because of their "lifestyle" of being under the sand during the time most susceptible to infection (night time), they can get it. If you provide a tupperware container (or similar brand) of clean sand (and discard after every transfer), TT can be used followed by 30 days of observation and prazipro in a cycled quarantine tank. For those who hate TT for whatever reason, a normally cycled quarantine tank can be used, again with a tupperware container of sand. However, leopards (I have several) and mandarins (I have a mating pair) while less susceptible to ich, can get velvet. Velvet is the real deal breaker parasite cause it almost always takes out all or most of your tanks fish population.
Reefnation.Jon
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I was referring to the Leopard Wrasse Primer Sticky. I would assume this would be a reputable source.
gone fishin
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I would never consider just managing ich. I had a bout when I first started a few years ago. After that first round I learned about Qt and have not had to deal with it since.
I do not understand why someone would try and manage something that can be eradicated. Usually anything good does not come easy. just my 2 cents.
I do not understand why someone would try and manage something that can be eradicated. Usually anything good does not come easy. just my 2 cents.
Reefnation.Jon
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And folks I want to clarify. I am not say to not QT or that Ich is good. The reality is it is a fact of the hoby. If you havent encountered it you will. Chances are it will be here for the remainder of our lifetime and definitely that of our fishe's.
I would like to hear from those who have encountered it.
I would like to hear from those who have encountered it.
If you go back to the beginning and read going forward, you will find that I wrote many of those replies. I spend very little time on RC these days with the exception of one thread that I maintain. I used to spend a fair amount of time in this forum, but after this reply, will be doing so rarely.
However, a reply is only as good as the knowledge of the individual doing so. The only leopard wrasse I do not quarantine with tank tranfer is the Choati and for that I recommend having a mature fully cycled observation tank that is mature and has had no fish ever living in it. The reason is that the odds of success with the Choati are very small, some would say slim and none. These are not peer reviewed threads so caveat emptor, if you want those use Google Scholar.
One additional problem with leopard wrasses is that they are jet lagged and have a biological clock that is contra that of our tanks. Makes them out at night until they catch up.
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