How to breed clams....

I think the main issue with breeding clams at home is:

It's most likely not going to be successful in an aquarium with other livestock

It's a long term project

Most people do not believe it can be done

Lack of information about clam aquaculture except at the commercial scale.
 
I think the main issue with breeding clams at home is:

It's most likely not going to be successful in an aquarium with other livestock

It's a long term project

Most people do not believe it can be done

Lack of information about clam aquaculture except at the commercial scale.

I agree, which is why i dont think it is something that should be tried and refined till it works. I agree though, it would not work in a tank with livestock. But once they reach the two week age, i think that they should be able to enter the tank again (even if its just the refuge for 6months).
 
maybe nuclear fusion can occur also, but somehow not in the home lab. the discussion is just silly. gigas can release a half billion gametes into a system, maximas less, but staggeringly large numbers that will overwhelm your miniscule system, including the protein skimmer that you'd have to shut off to collect the larvae. a little knowledge is certainly a dangerous thing. if someone has not even kept clams alive for any length of time, they should not be talking about breeding them. ignoring all information but the opinion that it can be done is just foolish.
 
maybe nuclear fusion can occur also, but somehow not in the home lab. the discussion is just silly. gigas can release a half billion gametes into a system, maximas less, but staggeringly large numbers that will overwhelm your miniscule system, including the protein skimmer that you'd have to shut off to collect the larvae. a little knowledge is certainly a dangerous thing. if someone has not even kept clams alive for any length of time, they should not be talking about breeding them. ignoring all information but the opinion that it can be done is just foolish.

Wow man, you clearly havent read anything that i have posted. Doing fusion in a home is a little different than breeding livestock (You are comparing apples to oranges).

My miniscule system is 300gallons, I WOULD NOT BREED THEM IN MY TANK. i dont know how many times i have to tell you this. I do not use a protein skimmer, i use an ATS. If you would actually take the time to read what has been typed maybe your comments wouldnt be so ignorant.

All I'm saying is that you dont need a huge farm to grow them. Maybe a few little tanks for the first couple weeks and then you could put them in a refuge tank where they are most unlikely to be harmed to mature. Maybe i need to draw a diagram for you to visually see what im talking about.

A couple posts back i also mentioned that i would collect the secretions in a 5gal bucket. One for eggs and another for the sperm.

Read a little, assume less.

I fyou have something constructive to say, then I'll listen and take your advice. If you dont want to be a part of the solution then you are a part of the problem.
 
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unfortunately, the solution is the problem in this case.
you are not talking about breeding livestock as you say. that's the apple/orange comparison. mine to nuclear fusion is much more accurate a comparison.
you are talking about a process that is way beyond the capabilities that home aquarists have, yourself included.
as before, keep a clam alive a year while you do serious research, then attempt whatever you choose to. but claiming that raising clams can be done with your level of experience of a week of keeping 2 alive is just typing letters on a keyboard.
i'm trying to keep your clams alive.
you already wanted to take them out to stress them with heat, #1 indication of what you do not know.
you contradict people who have done it successfully, #2
you disregard minh's opinions #3
you did not even know which type of clam you have #4
the issue/problem is not my negativity, but your own insistence that it can be done
 
unfortunately, the solution is the problem in this case.
you are not talking about breeding livestock as you say. that's the apple/orange comparison. mine to nuclear fusion is much more accurate a comparison.
you are talking about a process that is way beyond the capabilities that home aquarists have, yourself included.
as before, keep a clam alive a year while you do serious research, then attempt whatever you choose to. but claiming that raising clams can be done with your level of experience of a week of keeping 2 alive is just typing letters on a keyboard.
i'm trying to keep your clams alive.
you already wanted to take them out to stress them with heat, #1 indication of what you do not know.
you contradict people who have done it successfully, #2
you disregard minh's opinions #3
you did not even know which type of clam you have #4
the issue/problem is not my negativity, but your own insistence that it can be done

Instead of arguing with you about how i know that it can be done, and am willing to test it out. Science prevails and allows us to do things we couldnt imagine, like keeping fish happy in a tank.

But i couldnt find Mihns post about his opinions so if you could find them for me i'll reread them. I dont recall seeing it, nor am i able to locate it. I'll look again.

But anyway, here is where i see the problem:
"the issue/problem is not my negativity, but your own insistence that it can be done"

You just assume that it cannot be done by any hobbyist, and that we are all apparently "dumb". But thats ok, i can take the criticism.

I'm going to use your negativity in a positive way. So, what issues do you see with doing it at home. Space? Water quality, time, etc?

You mentioned about how much junk these creatured can secrete. I think i mentioned before that i have witnessed how much a species can secrete, a couple times actualy. My long spine urchin just did this a week ago. Clouded the crap out of my 300g plywood tank, that i built myself. My ATS cleaned it up pretty well, water was crystal clear again the next day and did my water quality tests, nothing changed.

So with the secretion, there is a solution that i see. The eggs have to be fertilized within 15min or they are useless. So lets say, when the reproduction begins, you put the clam in a 5gal bucket. When the eggs are released, you hurry and put it in another 5gal bucket.

That should take care of ruining your tank and polyspermia for the time being.

We will move onto the other steps once we have ironed out this much of the process.

fish_dave gave some constructive insite to the breeding of my Derasa clams. they use 10" but possibly could use 6". 10" Derasa clams here are 299 each.... Once we get something established (a method of possibility), i'll go buy a couple.
 
Common Moliken. You had so much to say the other day about how this cant be done. But now you have nothing to say about my last post which makes it an alternative to it being possible?
 
Just wait until you do. It is pretty near impossible. Thousand of spawn events in our tank per year, hundred of thousand eggs/sperm per event. None, maybe one Derasa come from all of this. I would estimate you will be successful once in a billion time.
I an tell you that we have not raise clams in our tank, and it is not because of lack of trying with experience reefers. 300 g is a drop in the ocean. My system is 500 g (DT8'V30"X30" plus 240 g tank for a sump). At one time I have 20+ clams in my system of all 5 species. Suck the eggs and sperms out as they being spawn, dilute them, turn off skimmer. I tried them all. Good luck to you but I don't think you will try anything that other people have not try.
Just don't gloat until you have some positive result. You are still very inexperience regarding keeping clams.
 
Well with your 500g, when you tried to keep them, what went wrong? Why was it not all that successful. Instead of telling people that its near imposible, how about we share our experience and try to improve it.

I'm thinking to protect them, you have to do it just like in the manual. they have a hatching tank, seperate from our DT. This way pods and such cant effect them while in the first two week process. I'm not gloating, nor will i, even if i get 10+ to actually survive. I just want to figure out why its so tough to do at home and make it work. And yet all i read about is that it cant be done in your DT. Which i understand. So if you seperate it form your DT, like many people do with breeding fish, why is this still not plausible?
 
gosh, i've had a gigas for 5 years, and 4 other clams at the moment. i've probably owned 30+ other clams at one time or another. in all the years i've had clams, i've never had one spawn...never. good luck in this project!
 
gosh, i've had a gigas for 5 years, and 4 other clams at the moment. i've probably owned 30+ other clams at one time or another. in all the years i've had clams, i've never had one spawn...never. good luck in this project!

Have you tried to breed them? Have they every tried on their own? Was it done only in your DT?
 
no, i've never tried to breed them. i have seahorses and they're time consuming enough. I stated they have NEVER spawned, so you ask have they tried...i'm assumming no they have no tried on their own as they have never spawned. you ask "was it done only in your DT?" what was done....
 
no, i've never tried to breed them. i have seahorses and they're time consuming enough. I stated they have NEVER spawned, so you ask have they tried...i'm assumming no they have no tried on their own as they have never spawned. you ask "was it done only in your DT?" what was done....

i wasnt sure what you meant by never spawned. If they have tried and never worked out or if they plainly never tried. And i was asking if they have if it was done in your DT.

Seems the main issue is that with them spawning is that it cant be done in the DT because of preditors. Everything loves hatchlings, high in nutrients and such. So it makes sense that it wouldnt work in anything other than an enlcosed system till they are old enough. Which from everything i have read seems to be after a couple weeks to a month.
 
One thing to consider is that if someone is able to do it at home they're most likely unwilling to share their process because it would impinge on their revenue
 
true, which could also be conspiracy for all the hate towards talking about it on here. esp from Modiken. Though i thought this was a forum to help others, not pursuade them from pinching your greed. lol
 
hey bsod, i never once put forth any hatred. i don't know you or care about you enough to say anything derogatory about you. all i am looking out for is your clams. more than you must be doing. now it's money? before it was science. try anything you want, but don't sacrifice any clams. now if i wanted to say something negative about you, i could easily say that you have no experience in how to keep a clam alive for any length of time, let alone breed them. no hatred, just truth, so don't get sensitive about criticism.
 
Common Moliken. You had so much to say the other day about how this cant be done. But now you have nothing to say about my last post which makes it an alternative to it being possible?
simple, i have nothing to add that hasn't been said by myself, minh, fish dave, or scapes. you pursue your ill-thought-out plan regardless of what is put plainly before your face. why comment?
 
hey bsod, i never once put forth any hatred. i don't know you or care about you enough to say anything derogatory about you. all i am looking out for is your clams. more than you must be doing. now it's money? before it was science. try anything you want, but don't sacrifice any clams. now if i wanted to say something negative about you, i could easily say that you have no experience in how to keep a clam alive for any length of time, let alone breed them. no hatred, just truth, so don't get sensitive about criticism.

I wasnt saying hatred towards me, and it has nothing to do with money to me. The guy before me mentioned that it would impede on peoples revenue. I never once said that i was doing this for money and clearly stated that this forum should be to help people, not deny people to keep your profits. I think you need to learn how to read or something.

For me it is science and am willing to share anything that i find out. I will be posting as many pics as i can as well to share what i have done so that it can be built upon to improve.

I was talking to a friend of mine and we will be building out testing ground hopefully within 2 weeks. We are going to go over our plans and acquire mature clams. We will test out the clams after a month of having them in our tank to ensure that it is healthy and stress free.

If you have any advice on taking care of them, i'm all ears. I have read articles over the past 6mo before we picked up these little guys. If there are any key factors that typical beginners miss, and that i might have overlooked, please speak up. It doesnt seem difficult to keep them happy or to identify any troubles as long as you keep proper water conditions and light intensity. If any signs show, i have a few pages bookmarked for quick reference.
 
I wasnt saying hatred towards me, and it has nothing to do with money to me. The guy before me mentioned that it would impede on peoples revenue. I never once said that i was doing this for money and clearly stated that this forum should be to help people, not deny people to keep your profits. I think you need to learn how to read or something.

For me it is science and am willing to share anything that i find out. I will be posting as many pics as i can as well to share what i have done so that it can be built upon to improve.

I was talking to a friend of mine and we will be building out testing ground hopefully within 2 weeks. We are going to go over our plans and acquire mature clams. We will test out the clams after a month of having them in our tank to ensure that it is healthy and stress free.

If you have any advice on taking care of them, i'm all ears. I have read articles over the past 6mo before we picked up these little guys. If there are any key factors that typical beginners miss, and that i might have overlooked, please speak up. It doesnt seem difficult to keep them happy or to identify any troubles as long as you keep proper water conditions and light intensity. If any signs show, i have a few pages bookmarked for quick reference.
ok. you ready to shell out big $$ for larger clams?
what are your lights that you plan on using?
drip acclimation, burp clams.
moderate flow and not directly on the clam.
check for pyr snails and any other pests, before any purchase. list water params.
 
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