How to start this hobby and maintain it, inexpensively and with minimal work

Interesting perspective, thank you for sharing.

Sometimes in the reefing world there is an elitist view that you must spend a lot of money AND do everything a specific way in order to succeed. That really is not the case. Every tank is different and so is every reef keeper.

He's not saying everyone else is wrong, he's only providing a different view point and way of doing things based on his experience. I actually agree with most things.

I also pick and choose what I buy new and what I don't. A lot of my equipment and all of my live rock have come from other hobbyist without issue.

I too have lost several fish in QT where I felt if I had just added them to my display they would have been fine.

I research everything I buy and I did tons of research before I got my first tank wet.

I've had success and failure. Each brings another opportunity to learn. If we constantly tell others they are doing things "wrong" then we never really grow. The hobby is constantly changing and there is a ton of information out there. One has to decide for themselves what path they choose and honestly I don't think they should be berated for that choice.

That's correct. I for one could not care less how many people attempt to borderline cyber ridicule me for doing things a different way than them. Ironically, the vast majority of them have not my experience nor my success (at least as measured by my current stocklist). It's whatever though people may not agree with me. But results speak louder than theories.
 
This is a great thread and as a reef tank enthusiast who recently ended a 5 year reef hiatus I can attest to the fact that the start up fees are outrageous. Just to get my 90 gallon reef ready Marineland Tank with sump up and running with live rock and sand will be close to $3K.
90 gallon RR tank with stand and plumbing $600
Eshopps 23 gallon sump w/ refugium $300
Reef Octopus Skimmer $340
Aquatic Life 6 bulb 48" T5 $449
RODI setup $250
Heater with controller $125
Maxspect Gyre 130 - $230
Pump - $70
Misc test kits, etc - $150
Live rock and sand from TBS - $1000

Now of course I could have cut corners and bought used but I for one like the peace of mind that comes with purchasing something that I can return if it is faulty or breaks shortly after purchase. There are certainly ways to cut corners but is it really worth it in the long run? I think not. This isn't a hobby to be taken cheaply.
 
Tons of options that you generally learn about with experience ;) You are correct. You don't need to go top of the line everything to have success, and you can buy used, and you can diy. That's all true. But that's still going to cost you far far more than keeping virtually any other animal. When you look at the closest comparable hobby, freshwater tank keeping, you're looking at many times more $ per gallon if you take all cost saving options. If you tell someone they can do this hobby cheap, they are going to think goldfish bowl or betta tank.

Well, I'm not going to split hairs on verbiage but I can see what you are saying. Although there are a few people keeping nano's that would qualify as a beta tank. Yes, this is an expensive hobby. But it doesn't have to be. If one plans accordingly and has patience there is no reason this has to be out of peoples reach. Sure, maybe they won't have a 500 gallon tank or a purple tang or some other expensive fish but there are entry points like a 40 gallon breeder tank that could be bought for 40 bucks during a sale to get started. Obtain some frags, rubble, etc - off you go. Don't need a controller, skimmer, etc but could start under 1k easy. I'd wager even 500 depending on how thrifty or good of a shopper one is.


To say you can start it cheaply for minimal effort is like saying "hey this car is super cheap! " Then you look up how much all the options are and you get huge sticker shock. People think of saltwater tanks and see all those fish, corals, anemones, clams, etc., and they want to be able to keep all that stuff. So they start but then realize they need x, y and z to begin to think about keeping get them. Then they realize they can't afford it, become discouraged, and give up.

Car analogies don't work anymore ;) I see your point but one doesn't need a Jaguar to get a gallon of milk from the store when a Yugo works just as well ;) That was for the options part :) But yes, bells and whistles or some things one thinks is necessary can escalate the cost. I do agree. But....this is where planning comes into play.

I think more or less we agree - not that it matters. I'm just one who says it doesn't have to be. I think some of the prices we pay today are by our own accord. Case in point - follow the recent captive bred Genicanthus Personatus. Super rare and expensive fish shown at last years MACNA. Now that is is captive bread do you think it will be going down in price or stay out of reach...

This hobby started with glass tanks using metal frames and standard bulbs...
 
This is a great thread and as a reef tank enthusiast who recently ended a 5 year reef hiatus I can attest to the fact that the start up fees are outrageous. Just to get my 90 gallon reef ready Marineland Tank with sump up and running with live rock and sand will be close to $3K.
90 gallon RR tank with stand and plumbing $600
Eshopps 23 gallon sump w/ refugium $300
Reef Octopus Skimmer $340
Aquatic Life 6 bulb 48" T5 $449
RODI setup $250
Heater with controller $125
Maxspect Gyre 130 - $230
Pump - $70
Misc test kits, etc - $150
Live rock and sand from TBS - $1000

Now of course I could have cut corners and bought used but I for one like the peace of mind that comes with purchasing something that I can return if it is faulty or breaks shortly after purchase. There are certainly ways to cut corners but is it really worth it in the long run? I think not. This isn't a hobby to be taken cheaply.

Welcome back! You could save some by doing a DiY sump (just as good) and not paying for live sand (waste of money). When I quit the hobby for 4 years I had the foresight to keep some key pieces of equipment; unfortunately I didn't have the foresight to store them safely and my skimmer, particularly, was essentially trashed. Oh well!
 
Welcome back! You could save some by doing a DiY sump (just as good) and not paying for live sand (waste of money). When I quit the hobby for 4 years I had the foresight to keep some key pieces of equipment; unfortunately I didn't have the foresight to store them safely and my skimmer, particularly, was essentially trashed. Oh well!

There are some things that it make since to spend money on and other thing it does not. A sump is a good example. Unless you have a space constraint throwing some baffles in a standard tank is just as good as hundreds spent on a custom sump. Saves lots of money. Dosing containers are another. No reason to spend $100 or more on a 4L container when you can get a plastic one of the same size from US plastic for $6. It does the same job. I would not cut corners on pumps, light, skimmer, etc. If you do you just end up buying later what you should have bought to start with.
 
Well I tried out the Petco return policy and they dont accept returns for salt water fish so im out the $. Return policy is only for fresh water
 
Well, I'm not going to split hairs on verbiage but I can see what you are saying. Although there are a few people keeping nano's that would qualify as a beta tank. Yes, this is an expensive hobby. But it doesn't have to be. If one plans accordingly and has patience there is no reason this has to be out of peoples reach. Sure, maybe they won't have a 500 gallon tank or a purple tang or some other expensive fish but there are entry points like a 40 gallon breeder tank that could be bought for 40 bucks during a sale to get started. Obtain some frags, rubble, etc - off you go. Don't need a controller, skimmer, etc but could start under 1k easy. I'd wager even 500 depending on how thrifty or good of a shopper one is.




Car analogies don't work anymore ;) I see your point but one doesn't need a Jaguar to get a gallon of milk from the store when a Yugo works just as well ;) That was for the options part :) But yes, bells and whistles or some things one thinks is necessary can escalate the cost. I do agree. But....this is where planning comes into play.

I think more or less we agree - not that it matters. I'm just one who says it doesn't have to be. I think some of the prices we pay today are by our own accord. Case in point - follow the recent captive bred Genicanthus Personatus. Super rare and expensive fish shown at last years MACNA. Now that is is captive bread do you think it will be going down in price or stay out of reach...

This hobby started with glass tanks using metal frames and standard bulbs...

I think we agree. My main point is that no matter how many areas you save cost in, at the end of the day, it's a very expensive fish tank and there really is no getting around that. Tell someone who has never kept saltwater that they can start a 40 gallon for "only 500$!" and see what they say.

FWIW, I love diy and prefer to do that wherever possible. I also love to save money and am not suggesting you throw money at the tank to make it better.
 
"Cheap" is a matter of perspective. $200 isn't really a lot to me in some things, shocking in others.

To wit: my buddy and I raced motorcycles for a while. He found an electronic 2stroke air/fuel injection system with traction control that would fit his dirt bike. It would be an experiment for "only" $1,000.

In the scheme of what he does that's cheap.

Me, I've had good luck being patient for my 50 gal build. I've not purchased on thing over $70 new, retail. For the 2 items purchased new (skimmer and ato) they were on Black Friday killer deals. Everything else is diy or used. I'm satisfied.

Really. Used I ecap ballasts for $30 or new ones for $160? Even if u send the used one off for repair that's money ahead. But spent in time.

I've a reasonable amount of time doing it myself vs buying new. Time vs money. I needed an exercise in patience.
 
"Cheap" is a matter of perspective. $200 isn't really a lot to me in some things, shocking in others.

Good point.

I'm just saying we don't notice a change in our monthly bills or budget while running our tanks. Just talking normal day to day keeping up of the tanks.

I do hear about when hardware and livestock purchases... at least now I can say "it's for the business" to the "boss".
 
To rephrase my title, How about "Inexpensive relative to others in the hobby"

"expensive" is an inherently relative term.
 
Because when you're a stay at home dad by am and early afternoon and weekend, full time MBA student by late afternoon and night, exercise 6 days per week, work part time, and maintain a home with 3 tanks, 3 dogs and 2 cats, to quote a YouTube sensation "ain't nobody got time for that." Time is money.

That's why I got a CaRx. Tired of mixing up two part every week or so and spending all that money on two-part (which is way cheaper than the bottled stuff). Take that money and spend it up front on the CaRx. Then the only thing you need to test is Alk, and once in a blue you can double check your Mag. Long run, much cheaper and much less maintenance. No manual dosing from bottles, no mixing stuff up. Just replenish the media and refill the c02 tank every 6 months or longer. Healthier for the tank, too.

I don't stay at home, we both work (which is worse on time), 6 days/week workout, dogs, tanks, home... so i hear ya. ;)
That's why i look to automate as much as I can.
 
That's why I got a CaRx. Tired of mixing up two part every week or so and spending all that money on two-part (which is way cheaper than the bottled stuff). Take that money and spend it up front on the CaRx. Then the only thing you need to test is Alk, and once in a blue you can double check your Mag. Long run, much cheaper and much less maintenance. No manual dosing from bottles, no mixing stuff up. Just replenish the media and refill the c02 tank every 6 months or longer. Healthier for the tank, too.

I don't stay at home, we both work (which is worse on time), 6 days/week workout, dogs, tanks, home... so i hear ya. ;)
That's why i look to automate as much as I can.

I'll have to look for that once I go back to work full-time.
 
You can't talk about ich without starting an argument. I think there are plenty of people that just don't post what they do because they don't want to get involved or feeling like they are being attacked.

When people talk about the hobby being expensive I prefer to toss numbers out there. Expensive is subjective. Saying my setup cost $2000 (for example) lets people decide if they think that is expensive or not on an individual basis. Personally, I choose to spend a good deal of my spare income on the hobby so it's quite expensive for me, but that is my choice and applies to only me.
 
That's why I got a CaRx. Tired of mixing up two part every week or so and spending all that money on two-part (which is way cheaper than the bottled stuff). Take that money and spend it up front on the CaRx. Then the only thing you need to test is Alk, and once in a blue you can double check your Mag. Long run, much cheaper and much less maintenance. No manual dosing from bottles, no mixing stuff up. Just replenish the media and refill the c02 tank every 6 months or longer. Healthier for the tank, too.

I don't stay at home, we both work (which is worse on time), 6 days/week workout, dogs, tanks, home... so i hear ya. ;)
That's why i look to automate as much as I can.
What's a carx
 
You can't talk about ich without starting an argument. I think there are plenty of people that just don't post what they do because they don't want to get involved or feeling like they are being attacked.

When people talk about the hobby being expensive I prefer to toss numbers out there. Expensive is subjective. Saying my setup cost $2000 (for example) lets people decide if they think that is expensive or not on an individual basis. Personally, I choose to spend a good deal of my spare income on the hobby so it's quite expensive for me, but that is my choice and applies to only me.

Boy isn't that the truth! I Will often avoid it and let the bullies do their thing, but If I have time I'll always tell it like I see it.
 
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