I am so sick of hearing about global warming

[RRafael]

From what I have learned is that the waters aren't really getting warmer but what is really bleaching corals is the fact that the summers are in fact longer and waters are taking longer to cool down........in Australia the temps get to mid to upper 80's and usually cool down in a month or two but latley the waters are staying warmer longer and the corals can't handle the heat for that lenght of time

In my opinion and in the studies of scientist's who actully know what they are talking about - unlike me this is a direct affect of global warming.


Drew,

In your defense this does not seem like it is happening as fast as people make it sound and you and your children may not even see the harsh effects this can and probably will have but in "EARTH TIME" these changes are happening very fast because of human polution.

Here is a link I posted a few weeks back and it talks about the the effects of the Corbon Dioxide that we release into the earths atmosphere http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2006/report.shtml

 

[firefishbrain]

the reefs aren't dying... at least not yet, scientists are do expiriments and research to check whether the reefs will deplete greatly in the future, those that have a gene for withstand the higher temps or whatever will live, those who can't will die, survival of the fittest. secondly, coral live and thrive to what is their max to the maximum threashold for heat and etc... all it takes is a few degrees warmer to kill the coral, that's why there is this big hype over it... it's over-rated, yes it's something to whatch in the future, but it's not something to blow a casket over.

I'm not looking to argue with anyone, just telling you what I have learned, or at least heard

 

[Rod Buehler]

it _seems like_ in the late 60s-70s we had snow on the ground from November until March with an average of 6+ inches. And it seemed that it was that way every year. I know that it hasnt been that was as of late..
I am no scientist, nor do I follow the topic that closely, but in my opinion, global warming is the real deal. (as I sit here typing wiping the sweat off of my brow)

 

[drew55]

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I wasnt denying that it was getting warmer i was just saying that is has been getting warmer for a verry long time. I also wasnt basing this on just the last two months either like i said its been happening for a long time because lake michigan used to be a glacier. I also agreed that humans may have accelerated the process but i think that it has been getting warmer slowly for quite some time.

I wasnt saying that global warming wasnt happening I was just saying that it has been happing for more than just the past 50 years like everybody makes it seem

 

[BreadmanMike]

Drew, I'm with you.

There's no 100% scientific proof one way or another.... It's all a bunch of horse puckey!

 

[dbates]

it speaks for itself, in another 30-50 years, there wont be guys like us around having these convos, because there cant be a hobby built around something that will be extinct, rising reef temps from ~82 - ~84 degrees bleaches everything and cause ecosystem failure

hold onto those frags long enough boys and we could all become millionaires with our extinct little animals....

 

[BreadmanMike]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7813750#post7813750 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dbates
it speaks for itself, in another 30-50 years, there wont be guys like us around having these convos, because there cant be a hobby built around something that will be extinct, rising reef temps from ~82 - ~84 degrees bleaches everything and cause ecosystem failure

hold onto those frags long enough boys and we could all become millionaires with our extinct little animals....

that's just silly....

 

[dbrown]

I could be dead wrong, but I have a hard time believing that the increased temps are bleaching the reefs. Certain species can handle temp changes more than others so some species would die in an area and others would live. I would think species would at least be dying off at different rates, not just sudden death across the reef like is being seen in some places.

 

[ecojoe]

The debate about whether the earth is getting warmer is basically over in the scientific community, there are many different measurements all showing the earth is getting warmer. What is debated is what is the cause of this increase. Temperatures have fluctuated for thousands, millions, billions, how ever old you believe the earth is. What concerns many people now isn't this change in temperature, it is the RATE of change. Take for example, these figures of temperature and CO2 levels

Since the rate of change is occurring at a much greater rate, it is more difficult for organisms to successfully adapt. This means organisms that already have the ability to cope with whatever change are in a good position, but those that currently lack coping mechanisms may be in trouble because there may not be sufficient time for them to develop the necessary traits. Also, nobody knows if this will be reversible, or if there is a certain "switchpoint" that once crossed with cause unpredicted changes. Take whatever position you want, I just like to see some information before I form an opinion.

 

[craftytony]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7812255#post7812255 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rod Buehler
it _seems like_ in the late 60s-70s we had snow on the ground from November until March with an average of 6+ inches. And it seemed that it was that way every year. I know that it hasnt been that was as of late..
I am no scientist, nor do I follow the topic that closely, but in my opinion, global warming is the real deal. (as I sit here typing wiping the sweat off of my brow)

LATE 60's and 70's! That was back when you were hookin' it up with Cindy Crawford! :love1:
But yeah, I can remember back when I was a wee lil lad in the late 70's and the huge snow storms...We actually had to be rescued by snowmobile one year. (We lived way out in the country in good ol Rock Falls, IL)

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize the billions of people on this planet and the waste we produce must have at least somewhat of an impact on life on earth.

 

[Meisen]

As ecojoe said above, at this point its pretty much a non-debate amongst scientists. That is except the very few that the oil companies trot out to point out how there "isn't consensus". Sort of reminiscent of how the Creationists argue their point as well.

 

[Meisen]

Anyway, proof is hard to come by for many things especially when you are talking about a massive and extremely complex system. Scientists work more with data and what that data suggest than yes or no answers. The overwhelming data suggest that times, they are a changing. Folks talk about past fluctuations and such without really looking at the timeframes involved. In a massive and stable system, we shouldn't see anything happening to climate in human frames of reference and we are.

 

[Meisen]

Just look at it like this: Over the course of hundreds of millions of years, the earth becomes habitable due to the carbon uptake and mineralization of living things (bacteria and plants mostly). Then, in about four human generations, we liberate roughly one third of that accumulated biomass back into the atmosphere (and are well on our way to liberating all of it). Think sandbed crash in your tank if you are needing a metaphor.

We know that CO2 causes more heat to be trapped by the earth's atmosphere so whats going to happen?

Sorry I know thats a super simplistic explanation. I am not even really sure what naysayers think is going to happen....is the carbon dioxide just going to go away or something?

 

[scubaduderon]

I agree

I agree

As a diver for anbout the last 12 years I see a difference. Changes that can be seen in such a short time do not bode
well for us.

Ron

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7809419#post7809419 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Pufferpunk
As a diver for the past 8+ years, I can tell you the reefs are dying. There are way less fish & lots of bleached/dying corals.

 

[sivad]

Great to see interest in this subject. Knowledge and an appreciation of the subject in our time will affect practices on a global scale and benefit our decendants, or at least reduce the detriment. Hope it will enough and not too little too late.

 

[adamjr]

Global warming is an "Inconvenient Truth." I suggest, Drew, that you see a movie by the same title. Regardless of what you think of Al Gore I am told it is an excellent documentary. It's not playing anywhere near me so I am waiting for the DVD.

Adam

 

[Whaledriver]

Trees are mostly carbon right?
How can we put the carbon back in the ground?
Cut all the trees down! and chop them up!
Burn them and pump the carbon down the oil wells!!

O'k we can also let the tree huggers replant the trees.

 

[Meisen]

Umm yeah what?

Sorry not sure if you are trying to contribute Whaledriver or just muckrake.
The idea of sequestering carbon into oil wells isn't a bad one either way though. It may not work but it's an idea. Right now though, water usually fills the spaces where oil is extracted so not much room for CO2. Besides, who is responsible for paying to have the Carbon put in there? How would we go about doing it ie pulling carbon gas alone out of the air? Will the carbon leak back out over time? Will it use more energy and cause more warming? Anyway, the will needs to exist to look into solutions and I think we (politically at least) are currently mired in the "its not really happening/not our problem" mindset. Merely saying that solutions will exist in the future isnt really going to do much if $$$ for research and political will isn't turned to bear on the problem.

 

[Whaledriver]

Just muckrakeing but it will work and if pumped down oilwells it helps up production of oil. In Illinois they are trying to win a powerplant that will burn coal and pump the carbon into sandstone underground. This will be the future of coal if it works.

 

[Whaledriver]

I also love the look on peoples faces when I say chopping down trees will save the environment. They know I am right after a short explanation which burns them even more.