I don't get designer clownfish

Price aside, I'm usually the first person to admit how much I dislike designer clowns, but those gold nugget maroon clowns on LADD right now are pretty darn cool! I suspect I like them because the pattern is actually symmetrical, unlike the paint splatter look of so many designer clowns.

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I would never buy these - ever - because of the body flaws. When I looked at them I wouldn't see the pattern; all I would see would be the pug nose, the bad lower jaw, and the lumpy head.

Quality over pattern - ALWAYS. At least for me. Perhaps it is because I keep show quality koi :)

That is what we were talking about earlier. Raising clowns is easy. Raising PERFECT clowns is very VERY hard. These body deformities are often not the result of genetics because they usually will not breed true. They are the result of breeding conditions and environment. Some breeders believe that pug nose and broken jaws are the result of pelagic larvae bumping into walls in a breeding setup - while they would never do so in the wild. Professional breeders spend a mint on extra large circular larval setting tanks with circular water flow and venturis on the wall sides - to try to keep the larvae in the middle of the tank and away from the walls. It reduces the incidence of these deformities, but does not eliminate them. Many garage breeders do not have the space (or the money or knowledge) for these setups - and other even more complicated "tricks of the trade". They will grow out spawns with 90% or higher deformities - hump back, pop eyes, bad fins, crooked spine (from above), crooked spine (from the side), overbite, underbite. Because they have spent so much time and effort to even get a few fish to adulthood, they will often pass on these deformed fish instead of culling them. Hobbyists buy these deformed fish... and then try to breed them again. Because they have strange patterns, you can always seem to find SOMEONE who will buy them.

Compare the sad fish in this thread to THIS fish - which represents in my mind an almost "perfect" holotype. Look at the perfect body lines. The clean curves. The full and perfect fins with perfectly round edges. If this was a tank-raised fish I would say "AMAZING". But I'll almost guarantee you it's not.

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Quality over pattern - ALWAYS. At least for me. Perhaps it is because I keep show quality koi :)

It's not :) I don't breed koi, and I feel like I can spot a tank bred clown a mile away, and have yet to own any... designer pattern or not.

That's not really what my post was about though... I find this pattern on a maroon clown fascinating for some reason. Maybe it's just the thought of seeing it on suck a large clown.
 
I really dig the gold nugget maroons but $400 a fish is a bit much. I do like the designer patterns and the variations in them. I have a black extreme misbar that's all black with a little white "hat".

The pics of the gold nuggets on the ora website, don't have that sticking out lower jaw like the pic above. But I have never seen a gold nugget in person.
 
It's not :) I don't breed koi, and I feel like I can spot a tank bred clown a mile away, and have yet to own any... designer pattern or not.

That's not really what my post was about though... I find this pattern on a maroon clown fascinating for some reason. Maybe it's just the thought of seeing it on suck a large clown.

I agree with you. The fish I find most fascinating is the ORIGINAL lightning maroon clown - from the wild. It has the amazing pattern AND the perfect conformation.
 
I know this is an age-old battle that will rage for years to come, but I agree with BonsaiNut and SDguy - I would never buy a tank raised clown (or any other fish for that matter). Naturally-ocurring aberrant patterns in wild fish are awesome though, and I would pay top dollar for those.
 
I used to be all about designer clowns. Now I only want to keep regular clowns, two in particular: black clarkii (which I have) and true percula.
 
I agree with you. The fish I find most fascinating is the ORIGINAL lightning maroon clown - from the wild. It has the amazing pattern AND the perfect conformation.

Do you think those maroons are stubby, or is it an optical illusion due to the pattern? They look totally stubby to me, but I've also never seen a maroon clown less than 1" before....
 
I agree with you. The fish I find most fascinating is the ORIGINAL lightning maroon clown - from the wild. It has the amazing pattern AND the perfect conformation.

I agree the fish has strong shoulders, thick tail tube, wide mouth and a proportional head.
 
Supply & demand, they are rarer in clutches and have a huge demand.
I think they look interesting, certainly more so than your average clowns.
 
Keep them there fishies fat and happy!

Paid $300 for a male Indonesia pond raised Scribble Angelfish. He has many friends and has done well with triggers, puffers, a large male Annularis and medium female Annularis. He is growing up with a chubby Clowntrigger who is about 3". I keep well over 200 lbs of live rock with hair algae for my live rock and fish tank so that my fish can duck and cover.

I have done the corals and coral friendly fish, a pair of venomous leaf fish that I hand fed ghost shrimp on the end of a 50 lb test fishing line along with dwarf lions and

I have settled on triggers, puffers, angels and a 10 year old pair of Tomato Clownfish.

Mrs. Tomato pushes around the 12" stars-n-stripes puffer if he annoys her.

Some people do not like aggressive clownfish species and although I like them all including the Extreme DaVinci.
 
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