I have 7 tangs in my 470g DT, can I add these other ones?

[sensei]

I have 9 fish in my DT:
1 Naso tang
1 Kole eye tang
1 powder blue tang
3 yellow tangs
1 sailfing tang
2 clown

I would like to add the following:
1 powder brown tang
1 whitecheeck tang
1 clown tang
2 hippo tangs
1 orange shoulder tang
1 Mimic Lemon Peel Tang

I am doubting about the powder brown and the whitecheek tang because they are very similar to the powder blue which can be a little mad about it.

please let me know what you think

 

[scooter31707]

What are the dimensions of the tank? If it was me I would just do 1 Hippo and the Orange shoulder.

 

[tassod]

The powder blue will most likely kill the powder brown

 

[BrianD]

I think you have enough fish in the tank already.

 

[Marshall O]

I think you have enough fish in the tank already.

I assume you are joking?

Either way, my concern is the number of Acanthurus you are looking to add...I have to think there will be some battles, at least first. Especially between the Powder Blue and Powder Brown.

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[ThRoewer]

I would rather add some angels or smaller fish, not just tangs.

As for the A. lineatus (clown tang) - in my experience they are jerks and notorious trouble makers, even when small.

 

[BrianD]

I assume you are joking?

Either way, my concern is the number of Acanthurus you are looking to add...I have to think there will be some battles, at least first. Especially between the Powder Blue and Powder Brown.

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No, I am not joking. It may not happen today or tomorrow, but I would not be surprised if the current tangs grow intolerant of each other as they age.

Add a clown tang and a whitecheek to the mix, and I would be surprised if there wasn't a major war.

That doesn't even address the problems the powder brown will face with the powder blue beating it up.

I had a 8x3x3 tank with only a hepatus and sailfin (as far as tangs) and they got along fine for 5 or 6 years...until they stopped getting along. I would not risk having the current tang load, and I certainly wouldn't add to it.

 

[sensei]

It is a big tank.
470galons 10 feet long by 30 inches wide and 30 inches tall.
I have a lot of rock, maybe 250 pounds.
I was thinking that because of the size of the tank, they can all get together after some time of adaption?

I was not sure about the powder blue and the powder brown, but if we leave the powder brown out of the list, would the powder blue tolerate the white cheek tang that is an acanthurus also?
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+391&pcatid=391

would the powder blue tolerate the caribean blue tang, that is an acanthurus but has different shape?
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+2730+328&pcatid=328

 

[sensei]

I would rather add some angels or smaller fish, not just tangs.

As for the A. lineatus (clown tang) - in my experience they are jerks and notorious trouble makers, even when small.

I was thinking on adding a dwarf flame angel, but I was leaving him for last because of the temperament of that fish.

clown tangs are trouble makers even if they are added after my 7 tangs? I ask because the ones already in the tank would be more dominant now, don't you think so?

 

[sensei]

What are the dimensions of the tank? If it was me I would just do 1 Hippo and the Orange shoulder.

hippos swim together if you add they at same time like the yellow tangs, that is why I was thinking in adding 2 of them to the mix.


I added the 3 yellow tangs at same time and 2 are always together.

all the 7 tangs I have now are getting along fine, they fought the first few days but not anymore.

 

[ThRoewer]

The baby clown tang I had tried to pick a fight with everyone in the tank, regardless of size or protection (clownfish).

 

[Marshall O]

No, I am not joking. It may not happen today or tomorrow, but I would not be surprised if the current tangs grow intolerant of each other as they age.

Add a clown tang and a whitecheek to the mix, and I would be surprised if there wasn't a major war.

That doesn't even address the problems the powder brown will face with the powder blue beating it up.

I had a 8x3x3 tank with only a hepatus and sailfin (as far as tangs) and they got along fine for 5 or 6 years...until they stopped getting along. I would not risk having the current tang load, and I certainly wouldn't add to it.

I misunderstood you. You said too many fish, but really you meant too many Tangs. I agree 100% with your thoughts on the future additions.

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[BrianD]

Yes, too many tangs. A 10' tank would be wonderful for a nice collection of wrasses or other peaceful fish.

 

[BrianD]

hippos swim together if you add they at same time like the yellow tangs, that is why I was thinking in adding 2 of them to the mix.


I added the 3 yellow tangs at same time and 2 are always together.

all the 7 tangs I have now are getting along fine, they fought the first few days but not anymore.

Based on other posts, your tank hasn't been set up for a year yet.

You aren't remotely close to a period of time where you can judge how the current inhabitants will get along.

You asked for advice, so I will offer it. I wouldn't consider adding the fish you mentioned to that tank, and I would certainly watch closely for potential problems.

 

[piusma]

Buddy of mine has a 8'x3'x3' and went down a similar path. It's a fish only and mainly tangs and angels. He had many medium and large size fish. At one point the fish seemed to tolerate each other but over time there were many unexplained death. (All fish QT'ed with no parasite)

The latest one was an achillies tang that he had for 5 years. It was eating and active one day, dead the next day with no physical wounds or anything. We still couldn't figure out if he died of stress or ran into something. I can only tell you that these fish will not tolerate each other long term and you'll have to make decisions at one point. You'll either have to remove some or watch them die.

Buddy's tank went from having around 35 fish down to about 20. It's not about how much space it's in the tank, it's how they coop with each other. Stocking that many tangs is like having a disaster awaiting to happen. I'd say go through the list again and pick out your must have and stick to 5 to 6 tangs and explore other possibilities.

 

[starkii]

I was thinking on adding a dwarf flame angel, but I was leaving him for last because of the temperament of that fish.

clown tangs are trouble makers even if they are added after my 7 tangs? I ask because the ones already in the tank would be more dominant now, don't you think so?

The clown will mature into an aggressive fish (or everyone I have ever read about seems to) so it won't matter if it gets along with the other tangs in the beginning.

 

[starkii]

Is there a reason you are only thinking about tangs?

 

[BrianD]

Reduce the fish load quite a bit, and I had the same story. It isn't just the battling fish that are effected. All the fish in the tank are stressed to some degree by battling tankmates.

Buddy of mine has a 8'x3'x3' and went down a similar path. It's a fish only and mainly tangs and angels. He had many medium and large size fish. At one point the fish seemed to tolerate each other but over time there were many unexplained death. (All fish QT'ed with no parasite)

The latest one was an achillies tang that he had for 5 years. It was eating and active one day, dead the next day with no physical wounds or anything. We still couldn't figure out if he died of stress or ran into something. I can only tell you that these fish will not tolerate each other long term and you'll have to make decisions at one point. You'll either have to remove some or watch them die.

Buddy's tank went from having around 35 fish down to about 20. It's not about how much space it's in the tank, it's how they coop with each other. Stocking that many tangs is like having a disaster awaiting to happen. I'd say go through the list again and pick out your must have and stick to 5 to 6 tangs and explore other possibilities.

 

[sensei]

Thank you all for your comments. I understood the point and apreciate it.
I was looking for tangs because small fish seem to dissapear in a big tank and they do not harm sps or eat zoas.

I had also in mind adding a magnificent foxface, a christmass wrasse, and dwarf flame angel. I have also tried to add a copperband butterfly the 2 that I have tried do not eat food in the QT period and have died.
I am doubting if the christmass wrasse can make it because my tank is BB
and I have read that I have to add the dwarf flame angel at last becuase of temperament.

any suggestions about these other fish or others I could add??

Thanks again

 

[CoralsAddiction]

for SPS dominated tank I'd go with a large number of fairy and flasher wrasses. They do not require sanded like most other wrasses. I wouldn't get a christmas wrasse for that reason. It needs sand. You'll be surprised how satisfying a large group of fairy and flasher wrasses can be.