I know nothing about Metal halide. Help.

wow. this isnt my fixture but thanks to everyone who told me this couldn't be done


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Yes. You see there are units similar to yours that use standard DE bulbs for a wider variety of choices, but you'll have a hard time finding reflectors worth their weight in that size range. And using junk or no reflectors defeats the purpose of metal halide entirely. The greatest benefit to this style of lighting is how a well designed reflector can turn a single bulb into 20-30 bulbs
 
banthonyb71 said:
wow. this isnt my fixture but thanks to everyone who told me this couldn't be done


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Not sure what answer you want to hear, or perhaps you are waiting for that one person to say, yes you can do it. But I think this thread is at the point now where everyone's recommendations are useless to you, and if thus is what you want to do then you should do it.
 
redwhiteandblue said:
Not sure what answer you want to hear, or perhaps you are waiting for that one person to say, yes you can do it. But I think this thread is at the point now where everyone's recommendations are useless to you, and if thus is what you want to do then you should do it.
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huh? oh yea ur right. im waiting for you to say "hey you can do this"
even tho I just showed the picture with it done. spot on buddy
 
Bpb said:
Yes. You see there are units similar to yours that use standard DE bulbs for a wider variety of choices,
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its not just similar to mine, it pretty much the same fixture. same inside dimensions same casings for the halides.

as the title states I know nothing about metal halides, Im just going off peoples word here that it cant be done without looking like frankenstien, then I see this and I see its not the case. not sure why people like the guy that posted after u chose to get defensive. Im only trying to find out what options I have, after seeing this, more than I thought.
 
banthonyb71 said:
huh? oh yea ur right. im waiting for you to say "hey you can do this"
even tho I just showed the picture with it done. spot on buddy
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Defensive? probably not. It's not my fixture, it's not in my house. Honestly I dont care what you decide to do. I was originally trying to save you from a decision you may regret and save you some money to put elsewhere in this expensive hobby.
It appears that even though everyone in this thread recommended against your mod, you are convinced otherwise. Sure it can be done, you have found proof of that And it's what you want to do.
the previous statement of wow, thanks for all the help with the picture of the modded light came off as all of us are idiots and you know better. If this was not meant to be smart *** sarcasm, I appologize. Anywho, So be it. No worries pal. Have fun. Build your dreams. Don't let me stop you or anyone else who has shed input.
 
banthonyb71 said:
its not just similar to mine, it pretty much the same fixture. same inside dimensions same casings for the halides.

as the title states I know nothing about metal halides, Im just going off peoples word here that it cant be done without looking like frankenstien, then I see this and I see its not the case. not sure why people like the guy that posted after u chose to get defensive. Im only trying to find out what options I have, after seeing this, more than I thought.
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You're missing the point still. Nobody said hybrid fixtures with DE bulbs and t5ho don't exist. Re-read post 14 by me in this very thread. First paragraph.

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Coralife
Oddysea

Three fixture manufacturers that make units identical to the one you just posted a picture of. They do exist. And have for quite some time.

You very well may have posted a link to a DIY retrofit. If it is indeed a retro of the aquaticlife one...it's clean. And pointless. Nobody said (or shouldn't have anyway) you can't. With the tools and materials you can do whatever you want to do. But the consensus was 100% that it's a waste. Unless you happen to call up coralife or current, and get them to sell you separate reflector housings that fit in those tiny spots...from discontinued fixtures mind you...you're not going to find fabricated reflectors of those dimensions separately. If you do...kudos. Well done googl'ing. I still think it's pointless.

The purpose of metal halide lighting is to take advantage of large reflector surfaces to provide a blanket of light. You'll get no better coverage out of those little spotlight style DE reflectors than you would from the stock ones.

Point is. Knock yourself out. Experienced MH users who DO know a lot about this particular technology advise it's a fools errand DIY project. Even if you come back in two weeks after successfully finding the materials and performing a working retrofit, you'll likely be met with similar responses. Most people have moved beyond those types of all in one units which is why they're either dirt cheap or discontinued.

The all in one units you can still find in use are the Hamilton, Sfiligoi, and giesemann. The one thing that separates these lights from the ones you're referencing are the fact that their MH reflector design is FAR better. If you're not using good reflectors with your halides, you are only wasting energy. Making an already inefficient light source many times more inefficient.

I don't see anyone getting defensive exactly, it's just clear you made your mind up from the start that this retrofit would happen regardless, and are fighting tooth and nail against good sound advice. I think what is happening is people are getting irritated that their advice is not heeded. Understandable. Reasonable? Maybe not. But understandable.
 
Here is an example of what I'm referring to as large reflective surfaces. This is a Sfiligoi mh/t5ho combo unit. Massive reflector housings giving fantastic spread. I don't have the dimensions off hand but I would be surprised if the reflector dimensions were less than 12" each on the long axis. This is what you want. It turns a single bulb into many. Not a little 4" wrapper that just focuses a tight spotlight
 

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redwhiteandblue said:
Defensive? probably not. It's not my fixture, it's not in my house. Honestly I dont care what you decide to do. I was originally trying to save you from a decision you may regret and save you some money to put elsewhere in this expensive hobby.
It appears that even though everyone in this thread recommended against your mod, you are convinced otherwise. Sure it can be done, you have found proof of that And it's what you want to do.
the previous statement of wow, thanks for all the help with the picture of the modded light came off as all of us are idiots and you know better. If this was not meant to be smart *** sarcasm, I appologize. Anywho, So be it. No worries pal. Have fun. Build your dreams. Don't let me stop you or anyone else who has shed input.
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dude. Why exactly do you think I am posting my threads here? Because I have it all figured out and Im waiting for someone to tell me that I don't? that wouldn't make any sense.

If you have a son and he says to you, "dad do chickens fly?" and you responded "No son chickens don't fly" and he responded "but dad, I seen chickens fly the other day, they went quack and took off flying from the water"

Would you then respond "Whatever son, if your insisting that chickens fly, I'm not going to argue with you"???

Or would you say what I would expect you to say "No son those where actually ducks, not chickens" ?


What the heck is the point of the forum if I get these responses? Read the title of my thread dude, clearly I have never pretended to be an expert.

Why must it be if I challenge a statement a defensive response?

Take a page from what you see BPD doing, he's actually stepping up to the statement and schooling me, as I would expect.

I just dont understand those..."Whatever dude..after everyones told you,,go ahead do it your way" angles.
 
Bpb said:
You're missing the point still. Nobody said hybrid fixtures with DE bulbs and t5ho don't exist. Re-read post 14 by me in this very thread. First paragraph.

Current
Coralife
Oddysea

Three fixture manufacturers that make units identical to the one you just posted a picture of. They do exist. And have for quite some time.

You very well may have posted a link to a DIY retrofit. If it is indeed a retro of the aquaticlife one...it's clean. And pointless. Nobody said (or shouldn't have anyway) you can't. With the tools and materials you can do whatever you want to do. But the consensus was 100% that it's a waste. Unless you happen to call up coralife or current, and get them to sell you separate reflector housings that fit in those tiny spots...from discontinued fixtures mind you...you're not going to find fabricated reflectors of those dimensions separately. If you do...kudos. Well done googl'ing. I still think it's pointless.

The purpose of metal halide lighting is to take advantage of large reflector surfaces to provide a blanket of light. You'll get no better coverage out of those little spotlight style DE reflectors than you would from the stock ones.

Point is. Knock yourself out. Experienced MH users who DO know a lot about this particular technology advise it's a fools errand DIY project. Even if you come back in two weeks after successfully finding the materials and performing a working retrofit, you'll likely be met with similar responses. Most people have moved beyond those types of all in one units which is why they're either dirt cheap or discontinued.

The all in one units you can still find in use are the Hamilton, Sfiligoi, and giesemann. The one thing that separates these lights from the ones you're referencing are the fact that their MH reflector design is FAR better. If you're not using good reflectors with your halides, you are only wasting energy. Making an already inefficient light source many times more inefficient.

I don't see anyone getting defensive exactly, it's just clear you made your mind up from the start that this retrofit would happen regardless, and are fighting tooth and nail against good sound advice. I think what is happening is people are getting irritated that their advice is not heeded. Understandable. Reasonable? Maybe not. But understandable.
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bro, its all discussion. I really dont understand sometimes. So this is the way it most be? listen to an opinion and then thats it...zip my mouth after that or people will get ticked? i really dont understand.. Im not going out buying material, Im not saying yes Im gonna prove i can do this... Im doing nun of that..I'm simple asking questions in a way that is maybe making people take it as if Im telling them that they dont know what they are talking about. but there just combative questions i guess. fine, Ill drop it,,,I'll go have the convo with the LFS since Im not allowed to have it here.
 
banthonyb71 said:
dude. Why exactly do you think I am posting my threads here? Because I have it all figured out and Im waiting for someone to tell me that I don't? that wouldn't make any sense.

If you have a son and he says to you, "dad do chickens fly?" and you responded "No son chickens don't fly" and he responded "but dad, I seen chickens fly the other day, they went quack and took off flying from the water"

Would you then respond "Whatever son, if your insisting that chickens fly, I'm not going to argue with you"???

Or would you say what I would expect you to say "No son those where actually ducks, not chickens" ?


What the heck is the point of the forum if I get these responses? Read the title of my thread dude, clearly I have never pretended to be an expert.

Why must it be if I challenge a statement a defensive response?

Take a page from what you see BPD doing, he's actually stepping up to the statement and schooling me, as I would expect.

I just dont understand those..."Whatever dude..after everyones told you,,go ahead do it your way" angles.
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In post #10 I tried to tell you its probably not gonna work if you put a large duck in a chicken coupe to get eggs. I suggested to get more chickens instead

Following that post you were still wondering why the duck wouldn't work.

Post #12 I clearly explained how it's just not worth it to place a duck in with chickens. Never once did I say it can't be done. I merely offered you some suggestions son.

bqb is clearly better at explaining things than i, but the point is the same.

If my son then came at me with " look dad, the neighbor has a duck in the chicken coupe."

I would say the exact thing I told you. Sometimes little boys just need to go against the grain, most experience is learned through trial and error. I even encouraged you like a father should.

Stop being so sensitive, your questions in the first post were answered. Most said it could be done but it's not worth you time. Better solutions were given, and you chose to spin it into this here. Take it to the lfs, maybe they will tell you it can be done (like we have) and maybe their suggestions will be more to your liking. however I expect you will get the same answer as here if your lucky. Or they will please you and order your parts and you can see for yourself. Good luck with your duck at the 4H. I hope you at least get a participation trophy.
 
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redwhiteandblue said:
I merely offered you some suggestions son. I even encouraged you like a father should.
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I'm not your son, so dont call me that. If you cant have conjecture without getting upset then just dont even offer advice. I cant get more simple than that. Just because I ask a question, and another and another...doesnt mean Im telling someone they are wrong. If you cant understand that...I dont know what else to tell ya..other than just unsubscribe.
 
jinku said:
How bout putting two Kessil 350 tuna blues in the fixture,looks like they will fit. But hey thats a lot more money.
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I just purchased to used a350w....but I also just sold the fixture on the bay.
I'm glad to be rid of the delima..thansk for the suggestion tho.
 
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