i think i just saved my $4 grand tank and $800 worth of livestock?

Thats different than cycling a new tank.

how is it different? it was a new tank, new saltwater, new sand ( I did not use my old water). sorry just edited my post should of put that its was a new 90 gal tank. so i added everything after the tank was set up for 1 week.
 
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I think he was saying there were 3 anemones at the store.

That's what I read it as too.

At the OP:

1. teh guy at the store tht set up ur fish aquarum is a ttl n00b
2. u shoulndt have put an anenome in the tank before ithad cicled. nems shouln'dt be put in a tank until the tank is establish (at aroun 6 month)
3. do research onlin b4 u by anything. go here
4. whts ur ligting? wht kind in how many wats
5. By a test kit dood! u has to test ur water evey week at absolute least.
 
how is it different? it was a new tank, new saltwater, new sand ( I did not use my old water). sorry just edited my post should of put that its was a new 90 gal tank. so i added everything after the tank was set up for 1 week.
It's 100% different because your tank doesn't go through all that's described here. You have to scroll down to Myth 15 http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-01/eb/index.php
It's not the inert glass of the tank or the water - it's the rocks. There's no die off when you move them immediately from one tank to another. As mentioned in that article, it's not so much that your tank has "cycled". It's the continuing die off that goes on at a significant level for almost a year. There are chemicals in the die off that we don't/can't even measure. There is more in your tank than H2O, nitrates and phosphates and trace minerals.
 
It's 100% different because your tank doesn't go through all that's described here. You have to scroll down to Myth 15 http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-01/eb/index.php
It's not the inert glass of the tank or the water - it's the rocks. There's no die off when you move them immediately from one tank to another. As mentioned in that article, it's not so much that your tank has "cycled". It's the continuing die off that goes on at a significant level for almost a year. There are chemicals in the die off that we don't/can't even measure. There is more in your tank than H2O, nitrates and phosphates and trace minerals.

ok got you but what if he did use live rock that is cured what would really be the difference?
 
ok got you but what if he did use live rock that is cured what would really be the difference?

All that cured means is that any of the life ON the rock has already died off -- at least any that would have an effect on the cycle.

That doesn't mean that the bacteria has a large enough population to handle the large influx of ammonia that 13 fish added nearly all at once.
 
ok got you but what if he did use live rock that is cured what would really be the difference?
I was wondering the same thing. I guess the question is what does "cured" mean. I've been out of the hobby for a while and I see this term all over and I'm not too clear on the meaning. Is it fed during curing? Is there light during the curing? Does cured rock still go through the algae bloom stages? If it goes through those same phases, then I would assume the answer would be no, it's not the same.

It's back to that die off issue. I would love an explanation of what cured rock is. Back when I left the hobby they were starting to talk about cooking rock. Was never clear on that either.

My tank has run fallow (no light, no powerhead, only heater) since 2008 (hurricane ike) and I'm starting it up again as of 2 days ago and now waiting to see what's going to happen. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1953252

Will I add fish to my "new" tank with less caution than I would recommend to a newbie? Yes, because I have the experience to handle and recognize any problems and can set up temporary homes if need be. I'm not going to lose anybody.
 
ok, i read through all your post, thanks for the information, my lfs guy i still am going to listen to him because its alot different down here, he knows what hes doing, the reason why the the blue hippo died and the anemone died was because our heater broke and we werent able to get another one till today. my fish tank was at 72-74 degrees, i have a feeling this was the reason why. i got the tank up to 79 degrees, and now my fish and corals are as happy as can be the bangaiis that i would never see came out finally, so i think it was because of the heating issue. the lfs guy actually didnt sell me much he only sold me three fish and actually gave me a discount on it even tho it was all ready half off lol. so he isnt trying to rip me off but thanks for letting me know it could be just him but he is way to nice of a fellow he even let my cousin get a fish for half off and its been alive for like 2 years so hes good. i think its just the heat and the ph level is at 8.0 and i have to raise it to 8.4 so i am trying to fix it.
 
ok, i read through all your post, thanks for the information, my lfs guy i still am going to listen to him because its alot different down here, he knows what hes doing, the reason why the the blue hippo died and the anemone died was because our heater broke and we werent able to get another one till today. my fish tank was at 72-74 degrees, i have a feeling this was the reason why. i got the tank up to 79 degrees, and now my fish and corals are as happy as can be the bangaiis that i would never see came out finally, so i think it was because of the heating issue. the lfs guy actually didnt sell me much he only sold me three fish and actually gave me a discount on it even tho it was all ready half off lol. so he isnt trying to rip me off but thanks for letting me know it could be just him but he is way to nice of a fellow he even let my cousin get a fish for half off and its been alive for like 2 years so hes good. i think its just the heat and the ph level is at 8.0 and i have to raise it to 8.4 so i am trying to fix it.

Water at 72F wouldn't have killed a fish. pH at 8.0 wouldn't have killed a fish. My pH was at 7.8 and my temperature was at 60F one time. MY ENTIRE REEF TANK WAS FINE. I find it annoying how ignorant you're being towards the experts that are trying to help you and towards the livestock that you're treating with such poor care.
 
First, could you state the tank size and all the fish?

IMO/E, the temps going to 72-74* should have not killed any fish and/or anemone. It is possible that that happening was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back, but not the root cause -- meaning there was something(s) else stressing the fish and anemone before the temp issue.

a pH of 8.0 is fine, and trying to chase a pH value is a fruitless act.

But, if you still want to listen to your "LFS guy" who thought putting an anemone in a newly set up tank, with 13 fish was a good idea, that is your choice. But, from the information given, I feel good saying that your LFS guy isn't your best choice for information.
 
First, could you state the tank size and all the fish?

IMO/E, the temps going to 72-74* should have not killed any fish and/or anemone. It is possible that that happening was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back, but not the root cause -- meaning there was something(s) else stressing the fish and anemone before the temp issue.

a pH of 8.0 is fine, and trying to chase a pH value is a fruitless act.

But, if you still want to listen to your "LFS guy" who thought putting an anemone in a newly set up tank, with 13 fish was a good idea, that is your choice. But, from the information given, I feel good saying that your LFS guy isn't your best choice for information.

He dropped $4000 on a tank... I'm thinking 1000 gallons? :confused:
I have no respect for people who have tanks as decorations for their houses and treat the inhabitants of their "decorations" poorly. And then, they come to us complaining about all of their things dieing and they don't even want to listen to us. All I'm saying is at least do research on keeping aquariums if you want to have a tank, but he won't listen to anyone except that "guy".
 
the bangaiis.

OK, so you have at least a pair of Bangaiis, have you sexed them or are they at a high risk of killing each other off due to same genders.

the lfs guy actually didnt sell me much he only sold me three fish

So all he sold you two bangaiis, a blue tang, and an anemone? That means just the bangaii are left in the tank.

he isnt trying to rip me off

He may not be trying to rip you off, but it is his job to sell you stuff. If he sells you something you kill, he makes more money when you buy another one. It is economics and they are sometimes forced to make sales they know will die because they have mouths to feed too.
 
OK, so you have at least a pair of Bangaiis, have you sexed them or are they at a high risk of killing each other off due to same genders.



So all he sold you two bangaiis, a blue tang, and an anemone? That means just the bangaii are left in the tank.



He may not be trying to rip you off, but it is his job to sell you stuff. If he sells you something you kill, he makes more money when you buy another one. It is economics and they are sometimes forced to make sales they know will die because they have mouths to feed too.

NO! Dude you got it ALL WRONG! The guy is his friend and that means that he is correct and all of the true experts are wrong. Get with it, duh. Plus I'm sure that this guy has already sexed the bangaiis and he raises their babies. And he said he had thirteen fish, so do the math... if he lost a blue tang and an anemone, then he only has 11 fish left! 13 minus 2 equals 11 you know.
 
ok, i read through all your post, thanks for the information, my lfs guy i still am going to listen to him because its alot different down here, he knows what hes doing, the reason why the the blue hippo died and the anemone died was because our heater broke and we werent able to get another one till today. my fish tank was at 72-74 degrees, i have a feeling this was the reason why. i got the tank up to 79 degrees, and now my fish and corals are as happy as can be the bangaiis that i would never see came out finally, so i think it was because of the heating issue. the lfs guy actually didnt sell me much he only sold me three fish and actually gave me a discount on it even tho it was all ready half off lol. so he isnt trying to rip me off but thanks for letting me know it could be just him but he is way to nice of a fellow he even let my cousin get a fish for half off and its been alive for like 2 years so hes good. i think its just the heat and the ph level is at 8.0 and i have to raise it to 8.4 so i am trying to fix it.
I read one of your posts on another thread where you refer to some alge bloom issues, I may be wrong, but to me this indicates that your tank is going through the same phases that all tanks seem to go through - cured rock or not.

I said before that I would not necessarily follow the same instructions I would give a newbie in my situation because I know how to recognize and deal with the problems. I see that the idea here is that you have someone experienced who can maybe help you push ahead quicker. But there are some things that just shouldn't be done and if he advised you to get that BTA, then I would see that as a red flag about his husbandry.

Did that tang go into your tank without quarantine? If so that's another red flag. Tangs are notorious for dying and you have to quarantine them and try to eliminate disease before adding to your tank. Even people who never quarantine will do it with a tang.

I would be inclined to guess that your BTA was healthy enough when you got him. He may have been bleached or starving, but those are things that can be dealt with. With an animal like that, a little husbandry under your belt is not a bad thing - even if your tank conditions are perfect.

Another reason not to get 13 fish at once is lack of experience. When an aquarist first starts out, they often can't tell a healthy fish from a sick one. I know I couldn't.

Unless you want to just pay someone to maintain your tank and leave it up to the service, you are so much better off learning the hobby rather than depending on this one person who may very well be a good guy. But it's not his tank. Nobody will care as much about your system as you and nobody will be as intimately familiar with it as you. And ultimately your standards and goals may be higher than his.

This thread was about how you saved your tank, but what may not be clear to you is that all of us here would have had that anemone out of there long before you did. We would have known it was a goner by early signs. That's not to brag or anything, it's to try and express to you that you have tons to learn -- all of us did in the beginning. Just let go, relax and listen. You'll get really expert advice here.

Also get a camera and posts pics on these threads for heavens sakes, will ya! lol :D
 
Also get a camera and posts pics on these threads for heavens sakes, will ya! lol :D

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I'm still skeptical of a 4K 118 gal tank....Is it gold-plated or something? If not, you truly got ripped off, bud....even in your pricey neighborhood...
 
I'm still skeptical of a 4K 118 gal tank....Is it gold-plated or something?

Remember where he bragged about living in a "rich" area? :lmao:
BTW it's obviously not gold-plated. It's probably a custom-built tank made from some endangered species of tree from the Amazon, and it might have some special trimming or something. :rolleyes:
 
[andrewsky--the lfs guy actually gave me a discount on it even tho it was all ready half off lol. so he isnt trying to rip me off but thanks for letting me know it could be just him but he is way to nice of a fellow...]

Let me guess--the heavily discounted fish was the hippo tang with LLD that ended up dying...? As others have said, a temp of 72-74 wouldn't have killed a healthy fish or anemone. & your ph is fine. Mine's around 7.8-8.0 & all my inhabitants are thriving. You're on here claiming to have saved your tank after losing at least one fish & anemone, yet not listening to what anyone has suggested (except your best friend the LFS guy...) Good luck in this hobby long term.
 
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I am pretty sure that he won't post on here with any of his future problems due to the definitely warranted post. We all know that he messed up but, obviously he is new and we all were at one time or another. I am also guilty of taking things the wrong way at times due to being human. He asked a simple question on the first thread of will the anemone put off any poison from being skewed out of the tank. Simple answer is probably minimal. Better way to extract it out of a cave would be to start a shiphon with a hose and pull him out that way. Tough learning lesson but now he might know better than to stock a tank so fast. >>> HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE<<<
 
IMO if you 'own' a tank but pay somebody or have somebody maintain it and all the fixings then you shouldnt be in this hobby. be a man, go out and spend countless of hours researching, and then come back with knowledge :) the only exclusion are doctors offices, i dont mind going to a docs and stare at a fish tank while waiting 5 hours to stich up an arm :P lol
 
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