I wanna get certified this year

blackthunda77

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Im in south florida. Any one have some input, advice, good place to get certified. personal experiences, etc. id like to get certified soon. ive been snorkeling almost every other weekend for about 5-6 yrs now. its time to transition.

on a side note, i have a couple friends that got married recently and on thier honeymoon they went scuba diving. i think it was in Hawaii. they said they did the class on the beach or whatever, and then suited up. whats the difference between that and goign to get certified like goin gto the classes, buying the books, going on the dives included in the certification etc..? it doesnt make sense to me.

also, i recently became a member of PADI, any other organizations i can look into to gain more experience? any good websites like reefcentral i can start frequenting but for scuba diving?
 
I'm 1 session away from receiving my OW Cert, and was supposed to have done it last night, but I was too tired to deal w/ it yesterday, so I cancelled with my instructor...

The only thing I've joined at this point, is the group that have spent close to $2k on gear before being fully certified. Unlike many, this was MY choice, rather than my dealer/instructors.

-Tim
 
Sounds like your friends did what's known as a "resort course". It's basically a quick and dirty intro course designed to seperate a tourist from their money without being given proper instruction that would enable one to be a safe diver without a babysitter. By all means find a dive instructor you feel comfortable with and get properly certified, it's well worth it ;)
 
well ya im def getting certified. i was just wondering what he was talking about cuz i know getting certified properly would take more that 40 min on a beach or on the boat on the way to the dive site
 
In regards to instructors, I kinda the best of bvoth worlds... The owners of my LDS are a father and son, and while the father primarily teaches the OW class work, we have choice of swim instructor. I chose his son since we're about the same age and make better all around "partners" due to having far more in common.

While I didn't really care for either of them initially, the more we interact and get to know each other, the more realize how nice these guys are. The last time I needed a tank fill they wouldn't take my money, and I saw them do the same thing to others' a couple of times the other day when I was there for class most of the afternoon.

I'm now trying to help them in a marketing capacity, by putting them in touch with another client that owns a resort a few hours away, and would LOVE to be able to offer their clientele a SCUBA training option.

-Tim
 
Went to a fish club meeting last night. a lady came up and announced that they needed volunteers for a reef restoration project where they take frags of corals from the beach that are on damaged reefs and bring them back and cultivate them and return frags back to the ocean after a yr or so.....anyways........she said that they will even certify us for free if we want to get certified as long as we volunteer with them. they will even give us our "scientific scuba license" we just have to pay the $300 fee so we can be certified to help with the transplanting part of the projects.
 
Okay, this is driving me crazy.

It's been called a "license" about a dozen times in the past couple of days. It's not a "license." There is no such thing as a "license" to scuba dive. There are no legal requirements to scuba dive - anyone, any time can pick up scuba gear and go diving. You can not be arrested for it. It's not illegal to dive without one, and therefore it is not a "license."

That said, I don't recommend going scuba diving without first being "certified." Yes, it's possible to kill yourself - even in a shallow pool - without proper training. Thus, it's imperative to get "certified" prior to donning a self-contained breathing apparatus.

A "certification card" is therefore commonly referred to as a "C-card." There's two reasons to have one - one is so that you won't kill yourself. The other is because dive shops will not fill your tanks, sell you scuba gear, or rent anything to you until you first show them your "C-card."

...So if this woman is promising you a "scuba liccense" for $300, she's trying to scam you. Nobody that has any clue about diving would refer to it as a "scuba license."

As far as the "scientific scuba license" goes... Not only is the term "license" a huge scam giveaway, but there is only one agency that is qualified to call their scuba certification "scientific" - and you have to be invited in to it. Nobody requires this "scientific" C-card except for a few Universities, aquariums, government agencies (NOAA) and other job-related organizations. And those - they'll invite you to get AAUS-certified if it's a job requirement.

FYI, $300 is about the going rate for your PADI Open Water C-card, plus or minus depending on what's included (books, open water trip, etc.)

I would be wary of anyone offering to give you a "license" for "free" for $300, but only if you volunteer to rape the ocean of it's coral polyps.

That's not even the typical remedy for ocean coral repopulation.

Bad juju, man... Spidey senses tingling. :)
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14484002#post14484002 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by blackthunda77
Went to a fish club meeting last night. a lady came up and announced that they needed volunteers for a reef restoration project where they take frags of corals from the beach that are on damaged reefs and bring them back and cultivate them and return frags back to the ocean after a yr or so.....anyways........she said that they will even certify us for free if we want to get certified as long as we volunteer with them. they will even give us our "scientific scuba license" we just have to pay the $300 fee so we can be certified to help with the transplanting part of the projects.

Wait a minute, this makes no sense...You have to pay a $ 300.00 fee and get certified for free..??? Like I replied to your thread in FMAS, I think it cost $ 295.00 to get certified at Divers Cove in Davie and if you ask for instructor John, you will get the best training possible. I am thinking of getting the Advanced OW this year and I'll be sure to have John as my instructor again.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14484656#post14484656 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SeaJayInSC
Okay, this is driving me crazy.

It's been called a "license" about a dozen times in the past couple of days. It's not a "license." There is no such thing as a "license" to scuba dive. There are no legal requirements to scuba dive - anyone, any time can pick up scuba gear and go diving. You can not be arrested for it. It's not illegal to dive without one, and therefore it is not a "license."

That said, I don't recommend going scuba diving without first being "certified." Yes, it's possible to kill yourself - even in a shallow pool - without proper training. Thus, it's imperative to get "certified" prior to donning a self-contained breathing apparatus.

A "certification card" is therefore commonly referred to as a "C-card." There's two reasons to have one - one is so that you won't kill yourself. The other is because dive shops will not fill your tanks, sell you scuba gear, or rent anything to you until you first show them your "C-card."

...So if this woman is promising you a "scuba liccense" for $300, she's trying to scam you. Nobody that has any clue about diving would refer to it as a "scuba license."

As far as the "scientific scuba license" goes... Not only is the term "license" a huge scam giveaway, but there is only one agency that is qualified to call their scuba certification "scientific" - and you have to be invited in to it. Nobody requires this "scientific" C-card except for a few Universities, aquariums, government agencies (NOAA) and other job-related organizations. And those - they'll invite you to get AAUS-certified if it's a job requirement.

FYI, $300 is about the going rate for your PADI Open Water C-card, plus or minus depending on what's included (books, open water trip, etc.)

I would be wary of anyone offering to give you a "license" for "free" for $300, but only if you volunteer to rape the ocean of it's coral polyps.

That's not even the typical remedy for ocean coral repopulation.

Bad juju, man... Spidey senses tingling. :)


ok first off you need to calm down.......

<strong>"It's been called a "license" about a dozen times in the past couple of days. It's not a "license." There is no such thing as a "license" to scuba dive. There are no legal requirements to scuba dive - anyone, any time can pick up scuba gear and go diving. You can not be arrested for it. It's not illegal to dive without one, and therefore it is not a "license.""</strong>

license/certification, ok whatever. to me that term was used interchangeably. i mean geez its not like im a NOOB to SCUBA or something, and asking for advice as to how to start. stone me to death for crying out loud for using the word "license" instead of "Certification". Goodness.

<strong>"...So if this woman is promising you a "scuba liccense" for $300, she's trying to scam you. Nobody that has any clue about diving would refer to it as a "scuba license.""</strong>

are you basing all these accusations because i used the word "license" your jumping to alot of conclusions here.

<strong>"As far as the "scientific scuba license" goes... Not only is the term "license" a huge scam giveaway, but there is only one agency that is qualified to call their scuba certification "scientific" - and you have to be invited in to it. Nobody requires this "scientific" C-card except for a few Universities, aquariums, government agencies (NOAA) and other job-related organizations. And those - they'll invite you to get AAUS-certified if it's a job requirement."</strong>

again your basing your accusations of this being a scam because i used the term "license" and on a side note, this is a government agency, which is in need of volunteers. on top of that, THEY ARE INVITING US. i mean what do you think the spokes person was at our FMAS meeting for. to me that sounds like an invitation. also let me clarify myself both for you and for speckled grouper(which by the way atleast tried to give me some constructive adivce, thank you) the $300 is not for the certification, its for the physical you have to pass in order to be certifed for the scientific part of it.

and this, this is just hilarious......<strong>"I would be wary of anyone offering to give you a "license" for "free" for $300, but only if you volunteer to rape the ocean of it's coral polyps.

That's not even the typical remedy for ocean coral repopulation."</strong>

you consider it rape going out to reefs that have been run over by ships or hit by hurricanes, etc...removing viable frags, growing them out at a labratory and returning them back to the same location to be able to repopulate? lol wow.
 
Hm.

Okay, man... My bad. Whatever.

By the way, ship impact and hurricanes aren't what's responsible for killing the reefs in South Florida. If she's telling you that, it's one more reason to believe that something's not right.

Look, man... If someone is offering you a "free" scuba "license" for $300 if you'll remove coral polyups from the sea so that you can return them later, something's amiss.

It doesn't really matter if you think my post's tone was too excited or not - or if you think that I am somehow making an "accusation." The bottom line is that there's something really "off" when someone offers you a "free scientific scuba license" for $300 if you'll volunteer to pull coral polyups out of the ocean so that you can make sure they'll mature in captivity and so you can put them back in the ocean a year from now.

Ask this woman to see her facility, where she recieves the polyups and matures them. Compare the facility to what people have here in terms of life support for corals. I think you'll find something amiss.

...Another red flag is if she told you that these reefs are damaged because they have been run over by ships or hit by hurricanes - that's not why the reefs are damaged in South Florida... So until you get some straight, real information from this woman, I would recommend staying away. I can tell you from someone who pretty much spends his life in the water that there's like a dozen red flags with what you just told us she said.

I understand that you, a self-professed "noob," read my post to be accusational or krass - sorry you feel that way. If you weren't a "noob," you'd see how obvious it is when someone's been pumped full of incorrect information and starts reciting it. This isn't personal - I'm not faulting you for any of it - and that you called it a "license" is only one of about a dozen red flags... Simply put, the information you gave us has obviously come from a really "off" source, and something doesn't smell right, and I'm letting you know. If you want to ignore my advice, that's fine - but I'm giving you the straight skinny that if someone has offered you anything like you've reiterated here, there's something really wrong.

Here, I'll put it to you this way... This woman's implication, apparently, was that she needed volunteer divers to do some work for her or her company, and that she'd be willing to trade some training and a C-card or two for that work. Why would she do this? What, is there like a shortage of divers in South Florida? Why wouldn't she waltz in to any dive shop down there and ask people to join her to do this "coral polyup harvest" instead of taking a complete noob and having to train him first so that he can then do the same thing? I mean, all she'd have to do is run an ad in the paper that says, "Divers - help the environment - we need you... Show up on this date at this location, and we'll show you how you can help." A million South Floridians would show up, and maybe some vacationers, too. Why would anyone approach a fish club and offer to give free C-cards (for $300) to anyone willing to pluck polyups? It just doesn't make any sense. Red flag, man.

Bad juju... Run away. I don't know what the deal is, but there's something really wrong with what you told us.

Your violent reaction to my reply pretty much tells me that there never really was a woman that approached a fishing club in South Florida with a free, $300 offer for scientific scuba licenses in exchange for plucking coral polyups to "save" them from the ship's impact damage on the reef... That you made that up, I caught it, and now you're angry at me for catching it. But I have no way of knowing that for sure, so in my South Cackalackey way, I'll simply shut up about it and smile... Or choose to advise you to stay away from anyone who said that. That is a simple, non-conforntational method of telling you that you're full of B.S.

Look - you said in your above post that you were "asking for advice on how to start." Therein lies another red flag... If you were offered a free C-card, why would you ask us how to start? If you were really offered a free C-card, then you'd have said, "I am starting my dive classes, and I'm excited," not, "How do I get into diving?"

...But again, whatever. I don't care one way or the other what you do, how you do it, or whether or not my post ticks you off. If you're really looking for answers on how to start scuba diving, then cool - find a reputable dive shop near you and attend class. In an above post, Speckled Grouper had a personal experience with one right in your home town, and highly recommended them to you, right down to the instructor's name. But if you want to ignore his advice, then you are welcome to do your own research - open the phone book or internet search engine of choice. Locate dive shops local to you. Visit a few of them and get a "feel" for the shop. Explore prices on your first "certification." Typical prices should start around $300, depending on what's included. If you're in South Florida, my bet is that there's at least six shops within a 30 minute drive. Here's a good place to start: http://www.browniedive.com/dealers/dealers.shtml#florida

Hope that helps.

Oh, and the next time you jump down my throat, I'll be sure to swallow.
 
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lol, your hilarious dude. im not even going to try to respond to that post. wayyyyyy to long for me, seems like you have too much time on your hands. im not going ot get into a flame war with you. you seem like you nkow me inside and out, i mean im impressed that you know me so well that i TOTALLY made this topic up. lm amazed. wow. lol. are you a part time psychic/phychiatrist?

just to clarify a few things so i can make your assumptions disappear faster than a cup cake at a jenny craig convention.

i first posted on last friday. the FMAS meeting was this tuesday on the 24th so instead of opening a new thread i thought to post here since up untill you showed up people were actually giving constructive advice. so yea when i first opened the post i WAS indeed looking for advice for a noob.

were not doing it for "the lady" she is a magnet instructor at south plantaion high school for the enviromental science and everglades restoration program. she is involved in that program and wanted to let us know about the program. who better to ask than reefers who are well knowledgeable about fragging corals. and for your information, YES, hurricanes and improper boating pracitces are a pretty big part in the reefs decline in south florida. but i may be wrong, you ARE psychic right? :rolleyes:

as soon as they email us the details of the program ill be sure to CC you to that email or forward you to it and ill include a link to the information that they have online.

sorry i dont have time to answer everyone of you complaints/accusations. i have to get back to work. didnt think this would turn out to be such a touchy subject. have a nice day, try not to lose some sleep over some crazy, halicinating liar that wants to rape and pillage our reefs for his pleasure. :rolleye1:

glad your nowhere near me. id hate to share the water with you. esp since im new at this stuff.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14488816#post14488816 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by blackthunda77
lol, your hilarious dude. im not even going to try to respond to that post. wayyyyyy to long for me, seems like you have too much time on your hands.

The post took me about ten minutes to write - I type fast. That's because of my years of writing term papers on various dive-related, and in some cases, ecologically-related issues.

I have the extra ten minutes because I'm waiting for the tide to be right to do today's work. I need the current to be going a certain way before I dive.


im not going ot get into a flame war with you. you seem like you nkow me inside and out, i mean im impressed that you know me so well that i TOTALLY made this topic up. lm amazed. wow. lol. are you a part time psychic/phychiatrist?

No, I'm a full-time diver. In my line of work, there's no room for B.S., and so it's pretty easy to call it when I see it.


...and for your information, YES, hurricanes and improper boating pracitces are a pretty big part in the reefs decline in south florida. but i may be wrong, you ARE psychic right? :rolleyes:

Negative. I am not a psychic, and frankly, don't believe in them... But that's another topic.

Your "lady" might want to inform the AAUS that every study they've ever done that cites that "water quality" is the #1 reason for the decline of the coral reefs surrounding South Florida and the Florida keys, is wrong. Specifically, these studies have cited an increase in phosphates (pollution) as the primary reason for a decreased coral population... Which only makes sense, given the human population explosion that's happened there over the past 50-70 years.

Conversely, hurricanes, while more numerous in some years than others, have only increased slightly in average ten-year numbers, probably due to a changing global climate. Ships, on the other hand, strike the reefs less than they ever have, despite increasing in sheer numbers, due to technological advances such as GPS, incredibly accurate charts, electronic steering systems, more controllable boats (power vs. sail), and an increase in the number of navigational aides in the Florida Keys.

If your lady friend really did tell you that ships hitting coral reefs and hurricanes are the reason for a decline in coral populations, then she's really, really off... And someone to avoid for propagating incorrect information.

In fact, aside from water conditions, errant, newbie scuba divers and their impact on coral life is cited as one of the top five reasons for a decline in reef health... In other words, one of the best ways to keep coral healthy is to not allow newbie scuba divers on it, who can destroy decades of growth in one erroneous fin kick. This is yet another reason why I don't believe that any self-respecting scientist would suggest taking a brand new diver onto a coral reef in the name of "saving it," especially when South Florida is obviously full of qualified divers with decades of experience.


as soon as they email us the details of the program ill be sure to CC you to that email or forward you to it and ill include a link to the information that they have online.

Cool. I'd be really interested in that. Thanks.


sorry i dont have time to answer everyone of you complaints/accusations. i have to get back to work. didnt think this would turn out to be such a touchy subject.

Well, when you come onto a forum like this and attempt to B.S. people, expect to be called on it. It's nothing personal - I just want to make sure that misinformation is not propagated.


have a nice day, try not to lose some sleep over some crazy, halicinating liar that wants to rape and pillage our reefs for his pleasure. :rolleye1:

Hm. Okay. :)


glad your nowhere near me. id hate to share the water with you. esp since im new at this stuff.

I'm flattered. :)

I'm regularly in Florida. I will be there probably on five separate occasions over the next two months, starting with this Sunday and Monday. Would you like me to look you up so that we can discuss your theories of "coral decline due to ship strikes" more?

By the way, what the heck is a "magnet instructor?"
 
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First off, if you are or were to be a role model for next gen SCUBA divers then your attitude would make this hobby exitnct by next generation.

Secondly, i love how you add words to my sentances.

<strong>Your "lady" might want to inform the AAUS that every study they've ever done cites that "water quality" is the #1 reason for the decline of the coral reefs surrounding South Florida and the Florida keys. Specifically, they cite an increase in phosphates (pollution) as the primary reason for a decreased coral population... Which only makes sense, given the human population explosion that's happened there over the past 50-70 years.
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Id like you to quote me where i said that hurricanes and boating accidents were the MAIN reason for the reefs decline? Never once did i say that. I said they were ONE part contributing to it. Nice try trying to prove a point illagitemately, based on something i never said.

you got a chip on your shoulder dude for coming in here and totally derailing a legitimate thread. You call me a liar, a BSer, etc..even go to the extent saying that im making all of this up.

Have fun waiting for the tide to come in. Im assuming your hitting the water by yourself. With your attitude i cant imagine someone wanting to associate with you.

heres my address, you can stop by whenever you like......
7610 stirling rd apt 105D,
hollywood fl 33024.

would you like me to mapquest it for you with nice big colorful pictures?

Mods you can close this thread if you like, its going nowhere now thanks to seajayinsc.
 
I'm going to completely agree w/ SeaJayInSC, but for completely different reasons...

He knows that I'm a n00b diver that's in the process of finishing up my OW Cert, err, l"license", so he knows damn well that anything that I would have to say in regards to diving would be utter BS! And since I consider him a friend, and yield to his expertise, when he speaks I listen. -- He yells at me in PM's ;)

He also knows that I own and operate a small scale, yet high-tech Aquaculture Facility. Being in the position and business that I'm in, I can assure you that nobody in their right mind would attempt to do what you're suggesting that this woman has spoken w/ your club about... NOT LEGALLY ANYWAY!

Keep in mind that the corals stand a far better chance of survival when left right where they are, rather than being plucked from the ocean, manhandled, put into holding systems, then permanent systems while being handled some more, and then ultimately back into the ocean again where their chances of survival are now greatly diminished due to being repeatedly stressed.

On the other hand, it's highly likely that this person is intent on capitalizing from having unwary n00bs scouring the reefs as her "personal collectors".

There isn't anything even remotely legal sounding about what you've described, and in fact if you are breaking the law as I would suspect, the penalties are severe enough that people routinely get their gear and boats confiscated from these types of actions.

A fence can't operate without thieves to keep them supplied...

-Tim
 
Thanks, Tim. :) He won't listen to me... Maybe he'll listen to you and your professsional advice about corals.

Okay, blackthunda... Tgreene's a guy who does corals professionally, so hate me all you want (my "don't care" gauge is in the red), but listen to tgreene. He's the expert on those things. I have never met anyone more qualified to talk about them, and that's saying a lot, 'cause I'm regularly surrounded by a lot of knowlegable people.

SeaJay Out. :)
 
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