ICH: how to cure it, id it, understand it.
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T Diddy
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jrdonnellyjr
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Rosscopeco
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Top work Iridescentlily.
Being someone who spent more time and effort trying it on with girls ( including a brief forced stint of drama class with Rose Byrne during high school, whom I'm sure you all know is quite hot), instead of paying attention in english classes, I can completeley understand where Madasmick is coming from. Many of us actually had to get jobs to pay the rent and put food on the table around the same time we figured out we needed further education. You can guess which one wins out of the two.
It doesn't make you stupid, just ignorant. Ignorance is easily fixed.
The fact that he's a bannana bender is irreperable.:hmm4:
(Purely mucking around madasmick. please don't take offence as it's not intended).
Getting back to the ich!
Most of the time when people think they've beaten ich with good diet, impecable water and less stress in the tank, it's usually down to built up immunity, or a lack of visible symptoms. There are many studies and subsequent papers written on these different aspects of the parasite.
The studies go something like this. Good conditions ( for the fish), promote a natural immunity. Adding a new fish with ich( even if it's just one on the gills) will begin the whole immunity battle again.
Most fish do not show visible symptoms of infection. Not unless you take a gill cutting and observe it under the microscope.
Nurse. Get me a scalpel, STAT.
Ever notice how the fish with smooth skin are ich magnets? That's to do with the available area for the parasite to burrow in. Scales are much better at stopping ich for obvious reasons.
If you keep ich out of your tank in the first place it will be impossible for it to spontaneously appear.
My problem with this is that the QT proccess does not always guarantee success.
IMO dipping ( or continuous medication) is entirely necessary to for the QT method to be 99.99%. There is plenty of info out there on what will kill ich for certain but, unfortunately, many of these treatments seriously hurt the fish.
I have experimented with the hydrogen peroxide dips and found them to be extremely effective at removing even deeply embedded cysts. No gill cuttings here but the obvious guess is if the deep craters are sorted, the gills are pristine. That and the fact that the fish showed immediate improvement and minor discomfort throughout the treatment.
Copper is out in my books.
At the end of the day I choose not to quarantine because I dont' like the current treatments available and my tank is working towards four years and two incarnations. Ich is in there and it aint coming out unless I start again or find a suitable dipping proceedure.
PS.Please feel free to edit my puntuation or spelling. Proper english of course.
Also feel free to dissagree with my opinion and let me know why. It is a disscussion board after all.:beer:
Being someone who spent more time and effort trying it on with girls ( including a brief forced stint of drama class with Rose Byrne during high school, whom I'm sure you all know is quite hot), instead of paying attention in english classes, I can completeley understand where Madasmick is coming from. Many of us actually had to get jobs to pay the rent and put food on the table around the same time we figured out we needed further education. You can guess which one wins out of the two.
It doesn't make you stupid, just ignorant. Ignorance is easily fixed.
The fact that he's a bannana bender is irreperable.:hmm4:
(Purely mucking around madasmick. please don't take offence as it's not intended).
Getting back to the ich!
Most of the time when people think they've beaten ich with good diet, impecable water and less stress in the tank, it's usually down to built up immunity, or a lack of visible symptoms. There are many studies and subsequent papers written on these different aspects of the parasite.
The studies go something like this. Good conditions ( for the fish), promote a natural immunity. Adding a new fish with ich( even if it's just one on the gills) will begin the whole immunity battle again.
Most fish do not show visible symptoms of infection. Not unless you take a gill cutting and observe it under the microscope.
Nurse. Get me a scalpel, STAT.
Ever notice how the fish with smooth skin are ich magnets? That's to do with the available area for the parasite to burrow in. Scales are much better at stopping ich for obvious reasons.
If you keep ich out of your tank in the first place it will be impossible for it to spontaneously appear.
My problem with this is that the QT proccess does not always guarantee success.
IMO dipping ( or continuous medication) is entirely necessary to for the QT method to be 99.99%. There is plenty of info out there on what will kill ich for certain but, unfortunately, many of these treatments seriously hurt the fish.
I have experimented with the hydrogen peroxide dips and found them to be extremely effective at removing even deeply embedded cysts. No gill cuttings here but the obvious guess is if the deep craters are sorted, the gills are pristine. That and the fact that the fish showed immediate improvement and minor discomfort throughout the treatment.
Copper is out in my books.
At the end of the day I choose not to quarantine because I dont' like the current treatments available and my tank is working towards four years and two incarnations. Ich is in there and it aint coming out unless I start again or find a suitable dipping proceedure.
PS.Please feel free to edit my puntuation or spelling. Proper english of course.
Also feel free to dissagree with my opinion and let me know why. It is a disscussion board after all.:beer:
mmmm4life
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Tank info for new guy
Tank info for new guy
Hey all new to the coral tank world for myself. Brother has been doing it for years and has it down but I have a question for anyone able to answer. I have only had my tank up and going for about a month or so, and have extremely well cured live rock that was intrduced to my tank but have what seems to me green coralline algea growth but its very rapidly growing along with the purple. I just want to know if there is a possible bad green item that this could be. I have been useing B-Ionic chem. daily and have heard that this stuff may make the coralline algea growth be this rapid. Any input is good input. Thanks
Tank info for new guy
Hey all new to the coral tank world for myself. Brother has been doing it for years and has it down but I have a question for anyone able to answer. I have only had my tank up and going for about a month or so, and have extremely well cured live rock that was intrduced to my tank but have what seems to me green coralline algea growth but its very rapidly growing along with the purple. I just want to know if there is a possible bad green item that this could be. I have been useing B-Ionic chem. daily and have heard that this stuff may make the coralline algea growth be this rapid. Any input is good input. Thanks
Rosscopeco
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G'day Mate.
This is a thread on Ich. Probably not the best place to ask the question but I'll try anyway to save you some time. I hope no one else minds the sidetrack.
The green covering is cyano bacteria or" blue green algae" of the matting variety and is quite ok. Do a search for more detailed info.
It's a sign of the cycle taking place in your tank.
The cyano will out compete almost anything when it comes to nutrients in the water or rock, although over time (with low nutrient levels) the coralline will become the pest.
Welcome to the hobby.
This is a thread on Ich. Probably not the best place to ask the question but I'll try anyway to save you some time. I hope no one else minds the sidetrack.
The green covering is cyano bacteria or" blue green algae" of the matting variety and is quite ok. Do a search for more detailed info.
It's a sign of the cycle taking place in your tank.
The cyano will out compete almost anything when it comes to nutrients in the water or rock, although over time (with low nutrient levels) the coralline will become the pest.
Welcome to the hobby.
Michael cicco
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most of the time if you do simple water changes it should help the problem
salty joe
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How could a fish like a manderin that eats little living things be fed during QT? I would guess that the bare bottom rule would need to be broken for fish like jawfish, twin spot goby, fish that bury themselves to sleep, etc.
I would never trust the absence of visible symptoms of ich. Once a fish is eating well, I will always treat for ich before releasing fish to DT.
I would never trust the absence of visible symptoms of ich. Once a fish is eating well, I will always treat for ich before releasing fish to DT.
tang named junkyard
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I tried ginger a while back on a bad outbreak on a blue tang. He's been ich free for months now.
Rosscopeco
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Ginger might cure cancer but I'd stick with the chemo.
My tank recently proved my issue with most quarantine procedures. No new additions for well over a year and BAM. Marine velvet.
That means my heavily stocked tank was contaminated all along with no symptoms. No amount of time in a QT tank watching for so called signs will help you.
Using a QT, looking for parasites that require a gill cutting to be observed under a microscope, is like playing Russian roulet. Best to be the Booky.
Treatment of everything you put in your tank is needed if you want to rid yourself of these types of parasite.
Ginger= BS.
Garlic= BS.
Medic = BS. The boss could not answer my simple questions. He did say that the product would not work to rid the tank of parasites.
Hyposalinity= Yes if applied properly for 99% of the time.
Peroxide dips= Unknown quantity.
Copper= Bad for everything.
I don't believe in total quarantine as there is always something that people have missed that ends up biting them in the backside. 99.9% would be nice to see.
My tank recently proved my issue with most quarantine procedures. No new additions for well over a year and BAM. Marine velvet.
That means my heavily stocked tank was contaminated all along with no symptoms. No amount of time in a QT tank watching for so called signs will help you.
Using a QT, looking for parasites that require a gill cutting to be observed under a microscope, is like playing Russian roulet. Best to be the Booky.
Treatment of everything you put in your tank is needed if you want to rid yourself of these types of parasite.
Ginger= BS.
Garlic= BS.
Medic = BS. The boss could not answer my simple questions. He did say that the product would not work to rid the tank of parasites.
Hyposalinity= Yes if applied properly for 99% of the time.
Peroxide dips= Unknown quantity.
Copper= Bad for everything.
I don't believe in total quarantine as there is always something that people have missed that ends up biting them in the backside. 99.9% would be nice to see.
davemercier
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This is very good information indeed, thanks to all who've added input here!
igotshotbymike
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I think I'm more confused than when I started reading this thread.
Does not seem to be a definitive correct answer?
Get cleaner shrimp/ Cleaner shrimp don't work
Use Hyposalinity / Hyposalinity don't work
QT/ I don't QT
Use garlic / Garlic don't work
Punctuation/ Only when not tired
No one has mentiond this yet but is anyone willing to admit they ever said or at least thought about saying Fu*~ it!!
Ether these fish are going to beat it with there immune system, or they are going to die and the tank will stay fish less for 10 weeks and I'll start over from there.:spin2:
Sure glad ick don't efect coral :strange:
Does not seem to be a definitive correct answer?
Get cleaner shrimp/ Cleaner shrimp don't work
Use Hyposalinity / Hyposalinity don't work
QT/ I don't QT
Use garlic / Garlic don't work
Punctuation/ Only when not tired
No one has mentiond this yet but is anyone willing to admit they ever said or at least thought about saying Fu*~ it!!
Ether these fish are going to beat it with there immune system, or they are going to die and the tank will stay fish less for 10 weeks and I'll start over from there.:spin2:
Sure glad ick don't efect coral :strange:
great job
great job
I have had a few problems with ick. It seems like at the beginning of my experiences every time a fish swam in an odd way I freaked out, then I would go to my fish store and buy something. Since then i have noticed our fish are a lot stronger than we give them credit for. I have one fish that gets ick almost every time i get something new. I have continued to do the same thing, provide the best I can and three days later he's perfect. Long story longer I am very happy to see everyone post nice, helpful ideas and experiences. It really helps when every other post isn't done by a know it all.
great job
I have had a few problems with ick. It seems like at the beginning of my experiences every time a fish swam in an odd way I freaked out, then I would go to my fish store and buy something. Since then i have noticed our fish are a lot stronger than we give them credit for. I have one fish that gets ick almost every time i get something new. I have continued to do the same thing, provide the best I can and three days later he's perfect. Long story longer I am very happy to see everyone post nice, helpful ideas and experiences. It really helps when every other post isn't done by a know it all.
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